Future plans it seems will include a Defender 90 size electric version and a luxury model but with the off road capabilities tined down.
Ineos Planning Three New Models By Decade's End
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Future plans it seems will include a Defender 90 size electric version and a luxury model but with the off road capabilities tined down.
Ineos Planning Three New Models By Decade's End
I really do wonder how they will navigate the ICE bans in europe. 2030 is not far away.Quote:
Originally Posted by spudfan
Looking at some of the more in-depth reviews, its apparent there's a list of minor candidate changes for Version 2 of the Grenadier. Some are bothered by the footwell, some not.
But for a first vehicle for a new company, they seem to have hit just about all the customer requirements with a solidly built vehicle.
For our family we don't tow anything and could on paper manage very well with this vehicle as a couple plus 1 tourer. Our total payload is just about 780Kg including Oztent, 2 lightweight kayaks, bike carrier, bikes, drawer system and all food and fuel. But realistically we would probably leave the bikes at home for big trips and we don't take them on the D2 as would be over GVM.
So the Grenadier is still at the top of our candidate vehicle list when the D2 wears out!
This is an excerpt from the Road and Track chap who travelled to Scotland for the press tour: Was most illuminating![bigwhistle]
On our way back from the off-road trail, I wondered how the buying public might take to a vehicle that looks like a Defender or maybe a G-Wagen but is neither. The flashing lights and frantic waves of passing Defender drivers seemed a sufficient answer. Those drivers were enthused to see a conga line of purposeful-looking trucks up to their hips in dirt and grime. But maybe they looked a bit confused too. When we parked the dozen-odd, muddied Grenadiers in a parking lot for a tea and shortie break (God, I love the Scots), Land Rover drivers idled past the rigs like clockwork, slack-jawed. Then they rolled past again for another befuddled look.
Expect a lot of curious, enthusiastic stares if you buy a Grenadier.
It was hard to tell if classic Defender owners recognized the Grenadier as an evolved Defender or something completely different, but a parked Grenadier was always sure to strike up a conversation. At any rate, the smiles and waves of passing Defender owners told me that if you do buy a Grenadier, you’re inducted into the club as a card-carrying member.
I've ordered one, on the basis that it's my last 'throw of the dice' and will no doubt outlive me...assuming it gets here in reasonable time I might just tick off a few bucket list destinations[thumbsupbig]
You're right to wonder....the ramifications are enormousQuote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot
I've come to the conclusion that it won't happen in the timescale the political class dictate, and that reality is going to bite hard in the next two-three years.
Hydrogen technology is a very expensive pipe dream *
There's already a problem of rare earth metal supplies for EVs.
What's more, literally millions of people in the EU rely on ICE production for their livelihood. National economies depend on the ICE....
As Mr Darryl Kerrigan was want to say "Tell'em they're dreamin' " [bigsmile]
* this YouTube is quirky but the facts therein give cause for consideration...
Hydrogen Will Not Save Us. Here's Why. - YouTube .
That lady is great.. I think I've watched that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoges
I honestly think Ineos will try and get exemptions from bans due to their commercial origins. But what about supply chain collapse? I can't see ZF and BMW continuing to make engines and transmissions (and all the other associated bits) just for Ineos. Even if Australia doesn't do a ICE ban I suspect our choice of ICE cars is going to become increasingly limited as we approach 2030
I think I'll buy a Grenadier. Better not leave it too long.
Interesting times.
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Originally Posted by Hoges
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Dead right there, watch them U turn in a few years. Wishful thinking doesn't solve engineering problems, and there's plenty of those problems no matter what alternate you are looking at. It puts the Euro car makers in an awkward position. Could even be the end of the road for European manufacturers like Jaguar who are going all EV, even BMW and Land Rover might bite it if they go all the way. The Chinese (who are ignoring the wishful thinking) may come up on top. They already make some pretty good vehicles, and cheap. Its a rerun of the 1970s. Everyone thought product's from Japan were jap crap. Not so, they were good reliable cars and cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoges