Thread: Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

Originally Posted by simonmelb

Latest marketing video just up. No new information - only that it has a smooth ride !

So in summary:

* Inline diesel engine, good fuel economy and easy to access for servicing
* ZF transmission with manual mode and HDC
* Solid axles
* Coil springs
* Well made seats with split rear seats
* Comfortable ride...
..... etc......... OH wait ! its a D2.

Might as well keep maintaining mine and save $100++K :-)

Actually, in the blurb which came with the email/video was the announcement that they will be opening reservations for initial orders in October ... hmmm...

Originally Posted by simonmelb

Latest marketing video just up. No new information - only that it has a smooth ride !

So in summary:

* Inline diesel engine, good fuel economy and easy to access for servicing
* ZF transmission with manual mode and HDC
* Solid axles
* Coil springs
* Well made seats with split rear seats
* Comfortable ride...
..... etc......... OH wait ! its a D2.

Might as well keep maintaining mine and save $100++K :-)

I could do an automatic transmission conversion and swap-out some Recaro seats in my Puma Defender and be well ahead with a real Defender not a "look-alike".

If you watch the video you will see the vehicle heading down a slope in first low. 1) The slope does not seem over steep or slippery to me. 2)The vehicle seems to be travelling very fast for first in low range. 3) Seems in order to keep the vehicle going down in the selected gear there seems to be some over ride to stop the auto box changing gear. If this is electronic wizzardry, we are entering New Defender territory here.
The woman says how quiet it is compared to other 4x4s, make not specified. As far as I am concerned she cannot be referring to the Puma as I find this a quiet and relaxing drive. On a motorway going 70 mph (doesn't happen very often!) I can still talk normally to the Mrs or a back seat passenger.
I like the Grenadier but if Land Rover had put some more investment in to the Puma, which is a fine vehicle, we would not be talking about the Grenadier now. Fair enough the purchase price would no doubt have increased but it would still be a lot cheaper than the new Defender. Instead Ineos have taken what Land Rover had and built on it. Seems like a common sense approach to me.

Radical Australian sales strategy for INEOS Grenadier - carsales.com.au

Interesting comments which I think have been mentioned before.

Instead of investing heavily in dealers and outlets, from 2022 Grenadiers could be sold in remote locations by agricultural machinery dealers, off-road specialists or 4x4 accessory makers.
According to Tennant, discussions are already underway with ARB, Pedders and Brisbane's Minecorp.

Other options open to INEOS include striking up a sales and service relationship with BMW Australia, but that could bring added complexity as the Grenadier would have to be sold in a separate part of the dealership.


I'm guessing BMW servicing costs would be on par with Land Rover !


Colin

Originally Posted by gromit

Radical Australian sales strategy for INEOS Grenadier - carsales.com.au

Interesting comments which I think have been mentioned before.

Instead of investing heavily in dealers and outlets, from 2022 Grenadiers could be sold in remote locations by agricultural machinery dealers, off-road specialists or 4x4 accessory makers.
According to Tennant, discussions are already underway with ARB, Pedders and Brisbane's Minecorp.

Other options open to INEOS include striking up a sales and service relationship with BMW Australia, but that could bring added complexity as the Grenadier would have to be sold in a separate part of the dealership.


I'm guessing BMW servicing costs would be on par with Land Rover !


Colin

The ag machinery dealerships is a pretty good idea, there are many more of those than there are car dealers in the bush.

Regards,
Tote

I don’t see that it will be much different to having a modern LR.
Parts will all be drop shipped resulting in delays to schedules.

Then a non-marque Cocky mech will touch your vehicle

Originally Posted by Tombie

I don’t see that it will be much different to having a modern LR.
Parts will all be drop shipped resulting in delays to schedules.

Then a non-marque Cocky mech will touch your vehicle

At least a diesel mechanic at a machinery dealership might have a chance of doing some logical troubleshooting rather than relying on throwing random parts at the problem. Failing that they might be able to fix it with a large hammer and some fencing wire until the parts arrive

Regards,
Tote

Originally Posted by Tombie

I don’t see that it will be much different to having a modern LR.
Parts will all be drop shipped resulting in delays to schedules.

Then a non-marque Cocky mech will touch your vehicle

I don't rate most factory trained mechanics anyway - they are parts replacement technicians. Also, it's more likely you'll get a first or second year apprentice doing the work anyway with a Mechanic 'checking' their work once they are done - most larger dealerships run around 3 apprentices to every qualified Mechanic - and truck OEM's are even worse - around 4 to 5 apprentices to every qualified mechanic. Check out a Cummins or Cat workshop - most are pimply faced who don't know one end of a spanner to the other - I used to work for them.