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    Russian airliner crashes in central Sinai

    Russian airliner crashes in central Sinai - Egyptian PM - BBC News

    Russian authorities say it was carrying 217 passengers, 17 of them children, and seven crew. Most were Russian tourists.

    It seems airline crashes are getting too frequent.

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    There was a lucky escape yesterday,one had fuel pouring out of an engine,the plane taxiying behind it to take off reported it.The engine/wing went up in smoke whilst everyone got off safely.Could have been a different story if it tried to take off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reachjatt View Post
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    It seems airline crashes are getting too frequent.
    This is partly due to the large number of flights every day, plus better communications. (And bigger planes means more casualties per incident, making sure that they make the headlines!)

    Of course, every crash will have reasons specific to that particular crash, but there is no reason to think that air travel is getting more dangerous - quite the reverse, in fact. Although the proliferation of airlines probably means that some are a bit short of the skills needed to keep an airline safe.

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    The local I.S. group claims responsibility, but this has been deemed not likely,


    Russian passenger plane crashes in Egypt | The New Daily
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    The local I.S. group claims responsibility, but this has been deemed not likely,
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    Unless it was downed by a shoulder launched missile just after takeoff, which seems there is no suggestion of, very unlikely. As was demonstrated in Ukraine, downing an airliner at cruising altitude calls for a launcher that is so large and obvious that it seems there is no possibility of the Egyptian ISIS group either getting one or keeping it for any length of time - and if ISIS had one, why would they have it in Sinai not Syria?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Unless it was downed by a shoulder launched missile just after takeoff, which seems there is no suggestion of, very unlikely. As was demonstrated in Ukraine, downing an airliner at cruising altitude calls for a launcher that is so large and obvious that it seems there is no possibility of the Egyptian ISIS group either getting one or keeping it for any length of time - and if ISIS had one, why would they have it in Sinai not Syria?

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    I agree, however, a bomb on the aircraft?
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    I agree, however, a bomb on the aircraft?
    Quite possibly - but there are other suspects there perhaps rather more likely than ISIS. I have no idea how good the airport security is in Sinai, but I would be rather surprised if it were not fairly good - after all, Islamist groups in Egypt (not ISIS) have already targetted the tourist industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Quite possibly - but there are other suspects there perhaps rather more likely than ISIS. I have no idea how good the airport security is in Sinai, but I would be rather surprised if it were not fairly good - after all, Islamist groups in Egypt (not ISIS) have already targetted the tourist industry.

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    Yes, it does seem unlikely, and the Russian airline industry hasn't had the greatest safety record over the years. It has been said the Islamic State affiliate with ISIS in northern Sinai claimed responsibility, without stating how. It doesn't make sense to me for ISIS to claim they did it, with Russia on the ground [ and air] in Syria. You would think they wouldn't want to poke the Bear, and have it concentrate all its efforts on ISIS .Be interesting to see what's found at the crash site.
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    maybe some one wants the bear poked and they are not affiliated with isis
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    A little reading on crash this morning suggests that the copilot was unhappy with the condition of the aircraft.

    It might also be worth noting that the aircraft was repaired in Cairo (2001-2) after a tail strike while landing there. I don't know what the Cairo repair capability is like, but I seem to remember at least one accident resulting from faults with an old repair, resulting in structural failure. Last contact is supposed to be a request for an immediate landing at the nearest airport, and last radar contact reported a descent rate of 5,000fpm, which could be either the result of loss of control or possibly intended to deal with loss of pressure.

    The combination of these suggests to me the possibility of structural failure, although they do not preclude other scenarios, even if these reports are correct.

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