Thread: When is a landy NOT a landy?

Originally Posted by rovercare

Wow, never knew that, what tractors did they source them from? obviously not the constant 4wd, was it just the gearbox sourced? or part of the transfer case aswell?, interesting...........definately explains the feel of them

David Brown David Brown Ltd. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia designed the box.

great tractors David Brown, always started and just kept going and going and going, backbone of the Dairy farming industry in NZ.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

I know that I shouldn't be in this part of the forum but this is such a bun fight of a topic I couldn't resist.

If a Landy ceases to be a Land Rover if it has a changed drive line then what is it?

• The Rover V8 is a Buick
• The LT95 gearbox is a DavidBrown
• The LT77 is a Jaguar
• The LT85 is Spanish Santana
• The TF727 is a US Chrysler
• The ZF 4HP22 is German
• The Salisbury is US Dana
• The 4BD1 is Japan Isuzu
• etc. etc.

Do I need to say anything more?

Engine Conversions to Land Rovers I know of are Isuzu, Chevy and of all things Nissan. Australian Land-Rovers frequently have Holden (GM) 6-cyl motors installed, Ford V6 (2.8L or 3.0L) transplants are also common, as are Chevy V8s and Holden V8s (4.2L or 5.0L) transplants. Alternatively, Iveco, Perkins and Isuzu diesels, often turbo-charged, are popular replacements in European Land-Rovers and probably in Australian Land Rovers too. A reference to a Nissan engine conversions on aulro site can be found at Nissan diesel engine and gearbox for LR on eBay

Gearbox/Transfer Case Conversions I know of are Isuzu, Chevy and Nissan. Borg Warner, Holden (GM) and Ford also used for conversions in Land Rovers and Range Rovers. In some cases transfer cases are also converted or even replaced with Toyota, Dana 18’s or Orion (US). Some additional info can be found here http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/gearboxSwap.htm. The Land Rover Gearbox History shows most original gearboxes were not Land Rover, I won’t start listing them as there seem to be many, they have been discussed in part here When is a landy NOT a landy? and you probably know most of them better than I do. More reference material can be found here http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/gearboxes.htm.

Suspension upgrades are very common and most have done some sort of mods or aftermarket lift kits. A few are listed here http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/shocks.htm and include using Toyota and Ford parts.

Land Rovers use/used Sailsbury Axels, these are in fact (US) Dana Axles, those who don’t have them have a Dana conversion available “to put bigger axles under your Rover”. A bit of research turns up the following on the Sailsbury history/myth http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/..._salisbury.htm. There are also conversions to upgrade to Ford 9” and yes, even Toyota, http://www.rovertracks.com/tech/salisbury.html, http://www.rovertracks.com/products/driveline.html, Outerlimits at http://outerlimits4x4.com/ol3/viewto...p?f=6&t=208530 and on the GCLRO forums at cheeky's been naughty..

So what makes a Land Rover a Land Rover? It is clear from the above it is not Engine, Gearbox or Transfer Case as these are commonly “Converted” or “Upgraded” using parts from other vehicles.

So what are we left with, brakes, chassis and the outer panels, doors and hood/bonnets. I can’t imagine that these are the essential bits that make a Land Rover into a Land Rover.

It would appear that the saying "A Land Rover is less of a car than a state of mind." (from review of the 1964 Series Land Rover by Car and Driver magazine) may hold more true now than ever before.

With all the parts from different vehicles going in to a Land Rover, both from the factory and in aftermarket conversions, it certainly would seem so.

• The Rover V8 is a Buick ---was a buick, and has undergone many changes by land rover since
• The LT95 gearbox is a DavidBrown --lt95 'lt' is 'leyland transmissions'
• i can't find any reference to david brown, however i had always thought that 'fergerson fwd' was involved in the development.
• The LT77 is a Jaguar --was an earlier jaguar box updated by 'leyland transmissions'
• The LT85 is Spanish Santana --originally designed by land rover for santana, and supplied to lr by santana.
• 'lt' - leyland transmissions - 95/77/85 =distance in mm between the mainshaft and the layshaft
• etc. etc.
• the holden is a gm, although some poofters like to think it's a chev.

like so what, where does one stop, the headlights are magnetti marrelli
on what models?
some cars are fitted with lucas smoke, that was sorta standard for all the british makes.
how many 'sub-contractor' parts are supplied on other marques?

as said somewhere, all the parts were able to be purchased on a land rover p/n, so that makes those parts genuine lr, even if they started life in another model, the isuzu, for example.

Originally Posted by Outlaw

Not positive if this has been asked on the forum previously or not... however makes for a very interesting 'discussion' around a campfire after a few of BigDog's brews Soooooo

When does a Landy
(a generic term for ALL Land Rover manufactured vehicles )
No longer classify as a Landy???

Is it the diffs, engine, chassis, body, badge??? Love to hear your views and reasoning's

I think it is when the chassis is removed, then its no longer a Land Rover. Everything else just hangs off the chassis and the chassis is what defines the vehicle according to the roads authority. Just because you put a Holden motor in it doesn't make it a Holden, if you put Nissan axles in it doesn't make it a Nissan and because you put a MD locker in it doesn't make it a Maxi-Drive. I think there is a difference between when does a Landy not classify as a Landy, and what is a purist - I think these are getting mixed up in the responses here, and I don't believe they are the same.

"When does a Land Rover stop being a Land Rover?"

When it stop leaking oil!

Originally Posted by clubagreenie

"When does a Land Rover stop being a Land Rover?"

When it stop leaking oil!

What if it has no fluids in it? Its still a LR but can't leak

Originally Posted by clubagreenie

"When does a Land Rover stop being a Land Rover?"

When it stop leaking oil!

someone has to put oil back in the ground.
it was all going along nicely, this returning oil to the ground business,
until the forefathers of the 'oil return to ground project' stumbled,
they were known as the british motorcycle manufacturers, and included triumph, vellocette, bsa, norton and others.
these forward thinking manufacturers managed to produce thousands of individual machines that were able to deposit oil back onto the ground whilst running or even after standing for weeks unused, all done from a machine that was easily moved about and able to function in small places.
rover engineers recognised this in the late 40's and set about creating a replacement for the loss of the british motorcycle industry, which they rightly forecast would happen, and created a machine that would carry on the britsh tradition of oil return, thus giving the arab nations many useful years of oil production long after the wells dry up.
pip pip, off now to top up the v8, she's been sitting for a while now and needs the 'send recvcled oil to ground' system [sprog] topped off.