Thread: Browns Gas, Please read before shooting .

Originally Posted by bee utey

I found this link in a Silicon Chip magazine (1/09) about hydrogen enhancement:
Green Car Congress: Hydrogen-Enhanced Combustion Engine Could Improve Gasoline Fuel Economy by 20% to 30%
It seems to show that in order to benefit from hydrogen you need a very high compression/ultra lean condition before you can improve efficiency on a spark ignition engine. So no luck to backyard dabblers.

And now, for those who make claims about Browns Gas, namely HHO, how would the molecule form? From my chemistry lessons hydrogen has a single valence electron and so can only form a single chemical bond with one atom. Oxygen has two valence holes to bond with hydrogen which makes H2O or H-O-H the default molecule. For H-H-O to be stable compared with traditional ol' H2O would be a miracle indeed. HO-HO-HO indeed

browns gas is written up, traditionaly as HHO. but it also appears as HOH and occasionally as OHH and refers to the quantities of the gasses in the mix before they get kablooied into H2O. once you start the kablooie process thats when the valencies count untill then you can express any combination of gasses in any way that you like.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

browns gas is written up, traditionaly as HHO. but it also appears as HOH and occasionally as OHH and refers to the quantities of the gasses in the mix before they get kablooied into H2O. once you start the kablooie process thats when the valencies count untill then you can express any combination of gasses in any way that you like.

OK so Browns gas is basically the reaction result 2H2O = 2H2 + O2 from electrolysed water molecules .

in the instance of this thread yes. Browns gas is the result of electrolyzing water into its component parts.

In reality anything that you do that comes up with 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen gives you whats known as browns gas.

Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

in the instance of this thread yes. Browns gas is the result of electrolyzing water into its component parts.

In reality anything that you do that comes up with 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen gives you whats known as browns gas.

OF course the missing part of that first sentance should be

Browns gas is the result of electrolyzing water into its component parts in one compartment..

If you seperate it off its just plain old hydrogen and oxygen.


One thing I have always wanted to try is feeding an axillary O2 source into the intake plenum of an exhaust O2 sensor equipped Fuel injected engine after the MAF.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

OF course the missing part of that first sentance should be

Browns gas is the result of electrolyzing water into its component parts in one compartment..

If you seperate it off its just plain old hydrogen and oxygen..

bang on

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

One thing I have always wanted to try is feeding an axillary O2 source into the intake plenum of an exhaust O2 sensor equipped Fuel injected engine after the MAF.

ahh depends on how much O2, o2 sensor/ Lombard are quite limited in there range

Second problem may be the mapping fuel pressure etc or the lack of.

third problem would be that you sort of need all the other junk ( gases) to push the piston down, it may be a case of more heat less power ( after a given point)

but then i don’t really know just guessing

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

One thing I have always wanted to try is feeding an axillary O2 source into the intake plenum of an exhaust O2 sensor equipped Fuel injected engine after the MAF.

Interesting. Where would you source the oxygen? There aren't all that many cubic metres of gas in a traditional oxy bottle.
Under stoichometric conditions your ECU would add extra fuel so that you would back off to maintain speed, full throttle open loop operation would not adapt, so run leaner.
Turbo charging adds extra oxygen too.

Actually the want to do the O2 thing to an electronic managed engine comes from a hypothetical situation test question that was setup to prove that you understood the feedbacks of the various components of electronic engine management.

Its one of those, theres no right or wrong as long as you supporting statements proove you have the basic understanding of EFI management.

it was over beers and after a discussion about that and NOX that it was decided to try what we could with what we had....

heres a stunner, steam fumigation provided a surprising increase in power out put.

HHO in the quantities we could generate did squidly

Acetone fumigation caused backfiring and set fire to the air cleaner

unregulated NOX blew the leftbank head.


as for where I was going to get the O2 from... well I work on an Airbase, theres a surprising number of LOX carts kicking around............