Thread: D4 v LC200

Go to any school at 8.30 in the morning mate,2 out of 3 vehicles are cruisers or patrols with bullbars,snorkels,twin tyre carries and in pristine condition driven by women while the bloke who bought it drives a 2K banger to work. Pat

Originally Posted by roverrescue

Not sure what the problem is...
Larger rims opens more options than it closes. I think on my next D4 I will actually go UP in rim size to 20 by 9s and then put a set of these on. May have to trim the guards but thats one of the small sacrifices you just have to make some times.


365/85R20 - 11,000lb load rating at 115psi should be just enough for the lardy D4 and wont have any staking issues.

This is one of the funniest posts. I thought the thread was about the Disco 4, not Unimog or similar.

Regarding other posts on tyre sizes:

In my experience the price of offroad tyres goes up with wheel size even if same outside. With availability, 265/75R16 is among the easiest to find.

I have to use 17" wheels to clear brake calipers on my bushie, I have a set of LT285/70R17, which are reasonable for on and off road - I wouldn't like a lower sidewall than these off road. But they are much more expensive than LT265/75R16. I will not be venturing near 18" or larger.

I've had rangies and other Land Rovers for years and the brakes have always been just acceptable. I have upgraded the brakes on my bushie. I find it laughable that Land Rover need to go to 19" wheels to get reasonable brakes.

Originally Posted by Forest

pat303 - come on -seriously. My mate and I both take our d3's off road and have the scratches to prove it -unless we are nobodies I guess.

The D3 is an awesome off road vehicle,,
(ask GGhaggis!)
Pats comments(below) just prove how versatile a vehicle it is,,

Originally Posted by PAT303

Go to any school at 8.30 in the morning mate,2 out of 3 vehicles are cruisers or patrols with bullbars,snorkels,twin tyre carries and in pristine condition driven by women while the bloke who bought it drives a 2K banger to work. Pat

Sorry Pat,, I dont take kids to school,,,
so while you are probably right,,

the reasons are still good,,

Protect what you hold dear.




and yes I get the two banger to drive to work,,
Mighty Brumby!

Interesting how it's not about the LC200 Vs the D4, it's only about rim size. Both in the magazine and on this forum.

Last years boys trip saw 4 Defenders and a D3 venture off. The D3 on 18" rims got 3 simultaneous punctures and was flat bedded out. Luckily for the guy, insurance paid out for 5 new tyres to replace the existing rubber and match.

Pat, there are very good OH&S and ergonomic reasons why a school mum should drive a large 4WD. After giving birth womens ligaments are soft for a while and are more susceptible to injury. If you ever see a woman put a baby in a small car, she much lean forward (almost at 90 degrees) and extend her arms out with the baby to get it into the restraint. In a 4WD, she walks upright to the car, with the child held against her body, then places it into the seat without the hyperextension.

Also a cargo area without a boot lip, makes it easier to drag out a pram, without having to lift it over the lip.

I've also noticed mums in 4WDs are more confident in their driving and less likely to speed, no matter what the socio-economic level of the 4WD. Mums in commodores are the once accelerating to 80kph in side streets. - That's just my observation, and I don't want to taint all sedan drivers, just to note the reduced propensity for crazy driving by mums in 4WDs in school zones.

Of course school kids aren't in prams, but most families have children in "clusters" (ie: close together) and can't afford to replace cars too often. A 4WD serves the needs of the family by allowing better access, storage and load options. So even if they use it just once or twice a year for holidays, it's the only vehicle that makes family holidays affordable.

Originally Posted by Forest

pat303 - come on -seriously. My mate and I both take our d3's off road and have the scratches to prove it -unless we are nobodies I guess.

I think we need to be realistic. Yes...I paid $105k at the time for my D3 and took it off road...most people..family..even members in the club thought I was border line nuts driving it where I did. When I sold it...it had the scratches to prove it, it was pinstripped like nobodies business. Reality is.........................most won't....that's a no brainer. Hence the large tyres etc etc.....they are not geared to be sold to tackle the great Oz outback....but a 4WD station wagon.

If that wasnt the case....LR and the other makers would be making their product more off road friendly as opposed to countless threads and forums on how to a) get a decent tyre b) maintain height off road etc. I bought mine back in 05.....its been 5 yrs since.....and still many of the same issues I had 5 yrs ago are prevalent today. If you are looking at towing...sand and dirt...great. If you are looking at tackling ruts, rocks, shale etc ie medium to extreme tracks......then a different kettle of fish. The only one I would and am considering is the 2.7 diesel with 17's in a D3.

Unlike many....I can compare and yes the D3 is great...no question....but in terms of offroading and easy to modify....my D2 is a much easier option. Horses for courses.....terrain and $$$ willing to spend is what it will come down to in many cases, and that goes for the other main marques as well who are pandering to your city/school mum driver etc.

Regards

Stevo

Originally Posted by PAT303

I think all of you are wrong,LR HAVE made the D4 for Oz conditions.How many people take thier $100,000 vehicle into the bush?,none.

Wrong Pat! I regularly took my $106K+$20K extras D3 into the bush and it had the scars to prove it!

I just took my new Cayenne down a track the Cocklebiddy roadhouse described as 'extreme' (although I would say 'impassable' in the wet and 'extremely slow' in the dry); and I'm not even going to tell you how much this car cost!

I think the brake thing is manufacturing cost thing. The Cayenne fits 17" wheels and has a set of brakes that are far far superior to those that were fitted to my D3. Sure, the D3 weighed a little more, but the porsche still has a gvm over 3tn and goes faster! LR want to stop the car, but want to do it cheaply.

OK thats about 4 people that take thier 100K vehicle offroad,only about 100,000 left!!.Just for the record I have no intention of bush bashing my L322. pat

Include me, by my count that make that 5 people!

Dorko