Thread: Do gooders MADNESS!

Originally Posted by cartm58

at some point we have to accept road injury and deaths versus road traffic management and travel times people losing sight of the tradeoff point and going to soley pedestrian safety.

As harsh as it sounds, this is true. The road toll will never be zero.

Currently the road toll is far less than the suicude toll, so where's the big safety push there. No money in that one hey.

Originally Posted by ScottW

Tell that to the people who have been booked for travelling 1km/h over the limit and see what their response is. It can and does happen.

Scott. In NSW, Police speed measuring devices (Lidar and Radar) have limitations set by the manufacturers - typically +/- 2kph. The NSW Police Department have then added a operational tolerance, typically +/- 1kph. So that's a minimum of 4 above the speed limit before you can be prosecuted. IE: 64 in a 60 zone. So in NSW no one has been booked for doing 1 or 2 kph over the speed limit by Police. Fixed speed cameras maybe, but not by a Police officer. It would be front page news and chucked out of court because it can't be a successful prosecution.

Like hell they are. Sometimes I ride to work. My car stays at home. I'm still paying rego and taxes so why aren't I entitled to use the nice black strip the local gov and council has layed down. Actually, I'm paying 2 rego's at the moment, so I'm even more entitled than most.

No one cares about how many rego's anyone pays or the fact that the law states a cyclist can be on the road - the bulk of the time it is inappropriate for anyone (cyclist, motorist) to occupy a lane of traffic and travel 20-30k's below the speed limit (in peak hour). It's bloody dangerous - i've been to three cyclist fatalities this year and the last required dental records to identify the bloke. It's great that cyclists are doing something for their 'health' and the environment, but how about thinking of the hundreds of motorists inconvenienced by their pace..? It's not about them vs. us, it's just that, in Sydney at least, the bulk of the road network is not designed to have cyclists and motorists on the same roads during peak periods.

Cycling is still viewed by Politicians and town planners as a recreation, not a legitimate form of transport, which is why in my experience (as an ex cyclist) it's too dangerous and roads (in NSW) are still for cars and not cyclists.

Matt.

Originally Posted by BMKal

Back to the old days of the first "horseless carriages".

Reduce the speed limits even further (to walking pace) and have somebody with a warning flag walk in front of each vehicle.

Trouble with that idea is the number of people run over would increase,and rad shops would be repairing flag holed radiators left right and center. Pat

Originally Posted by PAT303

Trouble with that idea is the number of people run over would increase,and rad shops would be repairing flag holed radiators left right and center. Pat

Yeah .................... especially at the speed I saw you driving up Hannan Street at about lunchtime today.

My training speed on my pushbike is 35km/h. I would get a ticket everyday

Originally Posted by brad72

My training speed on my pushbike is 35km/h. I would get a ticket everyday

I reckon I could do 35 km/hr on a pushbike too ................................

down that bloody big hill on the road from your place towards Ipswich.

Have heard lots of stories about being booked for 1k over the limit but have never seen a ticket for it with my own eyes so as forum rulez state without pics it didnt happen i have empolyed police in our bussiness and they tell me the local hwy supervisor sets the limit for the cars to book in our area its 15k over unless there is some other reason then its bookem for everthing. The area next to us its down to 10k over.
Dont think lowering limit to 30 will solve much we had a fatal accident 2 streets away in a 50k zone both the car and MC were doing over 70k each to some the posted limit doesnt apply

Originally Posted by mudmouse

... we've got the Lord Mayor of Sydney proposing the closure of George Street and making it a pedestrian and cyclist area only - and the State Government is seriously considering it !!!!!

We've also got 'Shared Zones' for vehicles and pedestrians with a 10kph speed limit. What a load of unenforceable crap!

Frank, you can't get booked for doing 1 or 2 k's over the limit by Police. There are limitations on the accuracy of a vehicle's speedo and also tolerances of the speed detection device (Lidar or Radar) as well as the accuracy of the operators estimation of your speed in order to then use the device to 'get a number'. I know speed cameras have a very low tolerance and they'll soon to be private mobile speed units in NSW trying to use low tolerances, but not that low.

You're quite right though - people spending more time looking inside at a dial rather than outside at the road...it's got more to do with peoples driving than a sign. I'm pretty sure most of us could all drive around suburbia within 5 or maybe 10 k's from the posted limit without ever looking at a speedo.

In my opinion there should be four speed limits - 60, 80, 100, 120. School zones should have fences, tunnels and bridges AND a proper education system and set down / drop off area for kids. Roads are for motor vehicles, NOT for pedestrians and NOT for cyclists. Footpaths and cycleways are for pedestrians and cyclists.

Matt.

My son was booked for 62klm/h in a 60klm/h zone in the ACT last year by a speed camera, Regards Frank.