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Isuzutoo-eh, you might like the last three.
People I have answered my own question.After searching I found this attached photo of the C19 which is definitely stored at North Ipswich.It has the distinction of being the last steamer built in Australia and that was at the then Ipswich Railway Workshops now the museum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco44
Cheers
While on the subject of QR, I am reminded of a story often repeated by my brother-in-law (died five years ago). He travelled from Brisbane to Townsville on QR in 1942. At every hill worth talking about it was "everybody out, unload the tanks, and drive them to the top". He reckoned that the anthem of QR was "I'll walk beside you". Something I can also vouch for. In 1963 I travelled with my Series 1 from Torrens Ck to Balfe's Ck on a mixed train after the bridge was washed out at Torrens Ck. The trip of 90miles took ten hours. (and that was a steam locomotive, but I can't remember anything about it).
John
When the QR system was being proposed in the 19th Century, the panel took into consideration the distance of track that was going to be needed and the money available. Hence the lightly constructed narrow gauge system. Track length to service a widely scattered agricultural and pastoral population in a decentralised state was paramount. It was decided an average speed of 20 mph was adequate and this should suffice for a hundred years. Track was constructed to this standard. This was pretty much the case still in the late 1950's. The Northern Mail from Brisbane to Rockhampton then took 20 hours to travel 400 miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDNSW
The wartime achievement of Qld. Railways is worth a book on its own. Queensland became the allies forward logistics and training base with over 3,000,000 troops passing through. QR was the only carrier available. What was a lightly constructed network serving a primary producer state became the military system carrying previously undreamed numbers of troops and unimaginable quantities of freight. Museum quality locos and rolling stock were returned to service. By the end of the war the rolling stock and track was pretty well worn out and much was unservicable. This took years to recover and some lines were closed rather than meet the costs of refurbishment. What rankled the Qld. government of the time was that they got precious little thanks from the Commonwealth and no money to rebuild.
The spec. sheet for a NSW Garret attachjed to Ausfree's post #60 shows 260 tons and 59560 lbs tractive effort. The US Mallet and Mikado easily beat this being much lighter and more powerful.Quote:
Originally Posted by drivesafe
I saw a video of a very long heavy goods train with two very big steam locos out of North Platte yards in winter heading west up the long grades to the Rocky Mountains. Spectacular. The yanks run big trains on those long hauls. Give great service too. Once about 1983 I ordered a Fiatallis 41B (75 ton dozer) which was in stock in Chicago built to the required spec. It was on rail and on the Columbus Lines ro-ro wharf at Long Beach in 5 days!!!. Cab on, blade and pushbeams underneath on a flat container wagon. No Australian system could have moved it without taking of the the tracks, track frames, and cab. The QR heavy freight rep at that time told me they only had three wagons in the entire system that could have taken the machine and much dismantling would be required to fit the loading gauge. First problem would have been for QR to find one of the three wagons and get it to Moolabin. This may have taken weeks if the wagon was in Mt. Isa or other far flung outposts.
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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
EDIT: Brian has quoted somer real pocket powerhouse locos, that make my Shay look pansy :p
The geared locomotive types have a higher tractive effort to weight ratio than most direct drive loco, for example a 3 cylinder Shay with geared reduction drive and every wheel a driving wheel.
Big Boy:
540 tons total weight
135,375 lbs tractive effort
250.69 lbs per ton tractive effort
East African Class 59 Garratt
251.68 tons total weight
73,500 lbs tractive effort
292.04 lbs per ton tractive effort
Erie Triplex
584 tons total weight
176,256 lbs tractive effort
301.8 lbs per ton tractive effort
Western Maryland 3 truck Shay (#6)
162 tons total weight
59,740 lbs tractive effort
368.765 lbs per ton tractive effort
Of course, power to weight of direct drive locos is probably in favour of the smaller compound articulated locomotives such as the Mallet, Meyer or K class Garratt, perhaps even the simple Double Fairlie or smaller simple Garratts.
This little fella resides over my workdesk:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...013/07/773.jpg
(On3, Kemtron kit converted to straight boiler, about 32 tons, builder unknown)
My favourite preserved loco is this little fellow, a whopping 7 tonner!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...010/08/707.jpg
Burra, from the Illawarra Light Railway Museum (Illawarra Light Railway Museum Society)
I've been scratchbuilding a dozen O scale models of this loco for about 6 years now :(
I am partial to the SAR. Y, TGR C, WAGR G, STC Y etc:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...010/08/708.jpg
This particular class of loco operated in every state of Australia. I have a full set of parts to build a model. The above loco is in the caravan park at Silverton.
The private and industrial locomotives are the most fascinating to me:
Alison on rotten row at Thirlmere:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...010/08/709.jpg
Archie (actually Jack) formerly the gate warden at Thirlmere:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...010/08/710.jpg
and a scene from a model railway I used to have:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...010/08/711.jpg
I'll let you guys discuss Loco weights and Tractive efforts etc, but gee isn't the above picture of 6042 a sad sight! I do think a Garret loco under full steam is the best sight of any of the old steamers and that includes the well loved class 38 made famous as the "Sydney Flyer"!!!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by groucho
I’ll second that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ausfree
IMO they are the best looking steam locos in the world, WHEN IN STEAM.
Yeah Drivesafe, I am going to have to look up a picture taken in the 1960's of a double header of two Garrets hauling a load of coal up the steep incline from Fassifern, it is a great photo. Apparently they used to load coal at the nearby colliery and then back out onto the main line and from a standing start, they had to climb this incline towards Newcastle and this photo depicts the struggle from this standing start, there is smoke and steam everywhere. I could be wrong but I think it was only in the Newcastle area that they double headed Garrets. As a young fella when I saw them coming I used to watch them absolutely mesmorised by the raw power of these things.:):)