Thread: Discovery II - A Let Down

Originally Posted by LandyAndy

close to buying ONE of those inferior opposition you mentioned.

Inferior how?

Landy Andy, dont give him oxygen.

Originally Posted by bob10

Landy Andy, dont give him oxygen.

Yeah cause clearly, you never got quite enough.

I think everyone can agree that no one car manufacturer is perfect, yes they do all make mistakes from time to time, thats what makes us all human. 4wds will always be more expensive to maintain compared with passenger cars. What I'm starting to notice in the automotive industry is that now some of the most trusted manufacturers are starting to slip in quality, whether this is part of globalisation or the need to make more profit. Now companies that were regarded as cheap eg. Hyundai are starting to show up some of these more traditional brands eg. Toyota. We all love our cars but sometimes you have to make a decision, do you keep paying for repairs or upgrade to newer and hope to gain some reliability. No one likes driving a vehicle that they can't trust its reliability, once theres something in the back of your mind it just keeps niggling away at you.
Cheers Matt

Can Beat that, dropped 8K in less than first 2000kms. New engine, new auto, plus associated parts. Set me back 10 for my 2000 D2. Would I have anything else? Never.

Would have cost me at least double for anything of a similar jap vintage. And on research they have their own associated issues. At least with the rover I can fix anythhing that goes wrong. Apart from head machining (and I could have done it myself, have the machinery but not the tooling) haven't paid a cent in labour.

At the end of the day I have a Rover, which while at 210,000k's is pretty much completely new (just diffs/lockser to go) and I'll be servicing so I know if anything goes wrong who to blame. I have a good contact for parts who'll supply genuine only unless the options are better justified (not based on price).

I think the term you're looking for bob is oxygen thief.

Well.... Lots of fur flying !

The main issue is, as I see it, (RRC owner for less than 8 months) is the differance between 'marketing' and reality. The result is a sense of betrayal & disappointment that runs pretty deep. - as in my case...

Pity the incompetant and thieving managment did'nt farm it out to the Japs to improve and build (properly) to THEIR standards.

Owning a LR product is very much a life-style thing. Fair enough, I can accept that, just like some sad individuals restore Ford Anglias... But to insist that the Anglia is the bestest designed and built car in the whole widest world is too ludicrous for words. Well, same goes for RR and Disco.

But I'm not worried too much now, I've taken my '89 diesel Paj out of storage, so that I've got time to re-build my RR- Classic and fix/adjust more of its stupidly deisgned features...

Don't stress tooo much Ghost, there are lots of very helpful blokes here, who will ease you into the concept of fixing every tiny little thing that other manufacturers manage to get right the first time 'round.

Just remember, Land Rover has been turning drivers into A-grade mechanics since 1948... Welcome to the masochist's club.

James in Gosnells.

The 'EH' '95 Classic Vogue SE with WORKING EAS and Cruise Control... soon to be 2 WD for as long as the rear diff lasts...

Originally Posted by superquag

Well.... Lots of fur flying !

Don't stress tooo much Ghost, there are lots of very helpful blokes here, who will ease you into the concept of fixing every tiny little thing that other manufacturers manage to get right the first time 'round.

The concept of ANY car manufacturer in the world that can "manage to get right the first time 'round" is a interesting notion.
i challenge you to pick any current car manufacturer, and do a google search for that manufacturer followed by "recall" and show me one that hasn't had a recall. so to think that any manufacturer can manage to get i right the first time 'round is actually a laughable concept for me and goes to show some peoples naivity when it comes to the real world.
why is it
Honda can recall over 1/2 a million cars for a brake recall - safety issue
Toyota can recall over 5 million cars for sticking throttle - safety issue
Nissan recall 1/2 million vehicles for loose screw threat in steering - safety issue
i can go on and on, and yet we see people single out LR and seem to think they hold the patent for things not working correctly all the time.

just for giggles, do a goole search for Pajero recalls, and see how well your statement of "Japs to improve and build (properly) to THEIR standards."

Matt,
Its not nice to have to spend that sort of money, but hey the car is 11 years old.
At 250,000km I would be expecting a new radiator and clutch.
Batteries, well I went through 4 in 2 years was not the cars fault, just 2 very poor quality batteries.
Windscreens, that is just unlucky, you can hardly blame the car for that.
The head I agree with and it is the LR TD5 weak point, IMHO not good enough but that is a TD5.
Head probs on a TD5 can cost you a lot more than $7k on its own if it is not caught early, search the forum and see some of the engine rebuild costs due to head failure.
I have had a TD5 Defender and have towed over 2500kgs with no issues.

As others have said look at repair costs for other cars. Some I know of :
Nissan Patrol gear box failure $5800 1 month out of warranty and with only 80,000kms.
Prado went in for a service, shock fitted by Toyota dealer not OM broke and did some damage to front end only minor over $3500
Crusier head failure under warranty (would have been around $12000 quoted by dealer if owner had to pay).
Friends 100 series cruiser started overheating 3 months out of warranty with 180,000kms on the clock. Money spent on cooling, fans, head, fuel pump in excess of $10,000 and problem not solved, car sold.
And this goes on and on
7K not nice but certainly not the worst it could be.