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    MOST DANGEROUS 4X4 EVER MADE!

    My 07 Range Rover Vogue was parked on the driveway outside. My wife goes out to do the daily run to the local post office, about 10KM away.

    She starts the motor and immediately gets a “Suspension Fault” message.

    She turns the motor off and comes and tells me what has happened.

    I go out, start the motor and the message appears then a few seconds later, it clears and all is well.

    I back the vehicle out of the driveway and go for about a 0.5KM drive, all is fine.

    My wife then drives off with everything “APPEARING” to be OK.

    About 6KM into the drive and the “Suspension Fault” message reappears so my wife turns around to come back home.

    The motor then stops, and the RR came to an immediate stop, leaving my wife stranded in the middle of the road.

    A message came up on the centre screen stating “SYSTEM FAILED” and then a whole range of failure messages flashed up on the screen, like “ABS FAULT” and so on, then the screen went dead.

    It had just gone dark so with no lights on the RR and as the RR had stopped on a decent hill, just bellow the crest, my wife decided to roll the RR off the road.

    NO WAY. The steering had locked, and because when she had first come to a stop, she had put the RR transmission in PARK, it would no release and worst of all the hazard lights would not work.

    This is a busy country style road, right in the middle of peak period with no street lights and loads of traffic.

    With no lights on the RR, my wife had to get out of the RR and try to wave vehicles down to avoid one of the running into the back of the RR in the dark and to stop them running into on coming traffic if the swerved to miss the RR.

    My wife had phoned me as soon as the RR stopped so I was there in less than 10 minutes.

    A woman in a new Prado had pulled up and ask my wife what was wrong, when my wife told her the RR was dead and she could not even get the hazard lights on, the woman pulled in behind the RR with her hazards on.

    Not going to knock Toyota drivers again!

    My wife had already phoned the RACQ and as the RR was in a dangerous position, the RACQ operator told her that a tow truck has been despatched as a high priority.

    The RR was in such a dangerous location, when I arrived, I could risk trying to sort out what might be wrong with it, I had to help wave down the traffic.

    I local resident had seen what was going on and bought a torch over to us.

    Now while there is a safety reflective triangle in the back of the RR and I also carry a safety vest, all kept in with the spare wheel, because there was no power, the tail gate could not be opened so there was no way to get at the safety gear.

    Then about 5 minutes after I arrived, a Police K9 vehicle came passed. The officer ask if we could roll the RR off the road, we explained the RR was not movable so he turned around and parked so traffic could see the blue and red lights and he then directed traffic from the crest of the hill.

    It was still to dangerous to do anything about working on the RR and the Officer called for another patrol to assist.

    Three times while the officer was directing traffic, he was nearly run down by idiots who were totally ignoring him.

    Now this is Friday night on a long week end so you can only imagine how much work the police already had.

    About 20 minutes later another patrol arrived and set up in the opposite direction.

    It was at this time that the Good Samaritan in the Prado left. She had helped for nearly an hour and although we thanked her I wanted going to get something for her two young children who had waited with her, but she just replied, “If ever she breaks down she just hopes someone helps her”. I was very VERY grateful that she had stopped to help my wife.

    At this time we received a call from the RACQ, informing us that a tow truck was on it’s way but was stuck in traffic.

    20 minutes later the truck arrived and the problem of getting the RR onto the tow truck quickly became apparent.

    The RACQ tow truck driver gave up and called for a service vehicle.

    I took off back home, grabbed a battery and jumper leads and came back, arriving just as the RACQ service vehicle arrived.

    With another battery hooked up to the cranking battery, the motor would turn over but not start, but at least with the brake light circuit working, I could get the RR out of park and release the PARK BRAKE.

    2.5 hours after the RR died, the RR was finally cleared off the road.

    The RR was delivered back to my place where I measured the cranking battery. It had a voltage reading of just 7.58v.

    The battery has been recharged overnight and so far so good, so this leave the cause of the failure to either the starter motor or the alternator and my money is the alternator.

    Irrespective of what was the cause of the failure, the way the RR failed makes this vehicle a death trap and this is a warning to others if you find yourself in the same or similar situation.

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    i gota ask you dident see the battery red light on the dash?? seen a few tdv8 aultators fail and all have brought the batt charge light on,

    if it is ither the starter or ault failed,, you need a ramp to change them the ault is one big job to change,

    at least there still are good people out there to stop and help, all so you can get the box out of park with a dead battery, its in your hand book how to,

    allso there is a way to unlock the steering but i cant remeber it atm,, il have to check at work if enyone is intrested how to,

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    Smile

    I think you're probably right about the alternator. That can be a tricky problem as I have heard of instances where a replacement alternator has not relieved the problem.

    I have had a recent incident in my 2003 Vogue where, because the local tyre service jacked the rear left wheel off the ground with the ignition turned on (sloppy I know), the EAS went inactive and the old girl squatted like a duck with two broken legs when the jack was lowered. I then spent 4 hrs waiting for three different mechanics to try their different computers in order to communicate with the 2003 computer in the Vogue. The computer that finally fixed the problem was a Snapon brand computer with all the bells and whistles.

    I am now definitely going to invest in my own computer interphase in preparation for similar occurrences.

    A moral to any of these stories is to pull over straight away(if not in the middle of the desert) and have any error code attended to. Investment in one's own interphase would save a great deal of waiting and cursing.

    I'm looking closely at the Hawkeye Diagnostic Tool (computer) advertised in the LRM. The price tag of 299 Pounds would already have been paid for in the time that it would have saved me when the EAS let me down.

    This is the price we pay I suppose for driving a vehicle packed so full of features. This has annoyed me but I would still buy the vogue if I had to make the decision all over again. It's an increadibly nice vehicle to drive!

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    Well if its an electrical issue at least you have a chance of understanding it.

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    That's a Friday night that you wont forget quickly. Fortunately no-one got injured as often happens because too many people just expect everything to be normal on the roads.

    The fault has to be something other than just the alternator not charging, perhaps a battery major internal failure or a major short circuit that didn't cause a fire!

    There will be a gearbox lock release lever at the back of the gearshift mechanism. But even with it out of park, there's still the locked steering with which to contend.

    It seems that night safety gear needs to be as accessible as fire extinguishers. Trucks have to carry safety triangles and the only place to store mine is behind the seats, so inadvertantly quite accessible. But there's nothing in the D4 - yet.
    MY21.5 L405 D350 Vogue SE with 19s. Produce LLAMS for LR/RR, Jeep GC/Dodge Ram
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    Hi Graeme, I’m pretty sure it’s going to be a stuffed alternator and as you posted, not just a case of not charging ( this would have shown up on the dash indicators ) but shorted out.

    The two most common causes of shorts are alternator failures, usually diodes going, and starter motor failures.

    While the battery was flat and I disconnected the earth off the cranking battery to give the donor battery a chance to start the motor.

    Couldn’t start the motor but as posted, get the RR into a movable set up.

    Think is though, the jumper lead are a fair size and were only in place for a short time, 5 minutes at most, but the leads were almost to hot to handle when I removed them, so something is pulling huge currents.

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    Basil, the rat....

    Tim, what a horrific situation! Glad no one got injured.

    One of my customers with a RRS just had a situation where the engine would run but no gears, all the alarms on and lights on the dash etc. Vehicle was left at the Motel carpark as he had to catch a plane. Turned out a Rodent was living in the dash above the glovebox, Dealer has vehicle, and so far 'Basil' has caused over 1K of damage to wiring and we are still waiting for a full system test to determine if any systems are damaged internally.

    Basil was dispatched to meet his maker, I am assured it was quick and humane.


    JC

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    I would not have thought that a shorted diode could draw so much current as to cause such a load - that the diode would disintegrate beforehand. However I've only encountered open-circuit alternator diodes and then only from comparitively low output alternators. I suspect that only the lead to the starter could withstand such high currents without the insulation showing signs of melting.

    I might get myself a battery-operated strobe light and keep it handy in the cardboard box that sits behind my driver's seat...

    Edit: No strobe light needed as I'll install a switch and electronic blinker unit to operate the hazzards from the 2nd battery, hopefully educating myself to always use that switch for hazzards.
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    At least insurance will cover the mouse damage Justin.

    That's an informative heads up drivesafe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumbles View Post
    At least insurance will cover the mouse damage Justin.

    That's an informative heads up drivesafe.
    I believe this is the case, yes.

    JC

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