Thread: MOST DANGEROUS 4X4 EVER MADE!

Originally Posted by Celtoid

It's hardly a fair comparison, a D2 to a new Paj..... The real comparison would be against a D4......there would be no comparison at all in power, towing capability and ride quality.

My neighbour has just bought a brand new Paj....and I mean brand new...with the uprated engine and some tricky electronics. Don’t get me wrong, it is a beautiful car, drives well and looks well finished…..but it lacks my D4 SE in all areas I’m aware of. My D4 is 18 months old and has never stopped…(touch-wood). It’ll be interesting to see have the hi-tech Paj’s fare in time.

Cheers,

Kev.

G'day Kev,

I sort of agree with your sentiments, - and it will be interesting to compare your neighbor's Paj with yours... especially under the heading of "Fit for Purpose" as another correspondent defines it..

In one sense the New-Paj / Old Disco comparison is more than fair... newly-built but 'old' technology up against futuristic but 'built-long-ago' Disco ...

As has been said, LR has become too clever for their own good...or anyone elses - more to the point!
The very fact that the answer to Drivesafe's steering lock-up is so elusive, is proof that LR as well as others have long lost the plot.

I suppose I'm fortunate, having a simpler car, with the EAS air-pump/valve body mounted UNDER the high-water mark, and a super-high pressure braking system driven by an ELECTRIC motor thats slowly (?) roasting in an un-ventilated engine-hole...and a steering wheel so tiny that if the PS pump stopped I'd be barely able to drive it, - and my Wife would have NO chance at all...

Come to think of it Drivesafe, LR has been trying to kill off our spouses since '95, going from a wheel that would be VERY hard to turn...to one that locks up completely.

Now THAT is progress !!!

James

... Still trying to get the front wheel off ?

Hi Supurquad, last I heard, half the front end was off and the alternator was with the auto electrician.

I was told, elsewhere, that an alternator for the TDV8 is about $2k and the auto electrician was looking at the chances of rebuilding the old one.

So I wait!

... "Only" half ???

I forwarded a link to this thread to my bro in Switzerland as him and his wife have had over a dozen top of the range RRs over the years, although they now drive a Lexus Hybrid.
He says that this type of shutdown happened to him on a freeway in the US 20 odd years ago with a large truck sitting right up his clacker!
Very frightening experience and the car couldn't be restarted and had to be towed away.
And the vehicle involved......the Worlds safest, a nice shiney, near new Volvo.
They were thinking of returning to driving a RR but this thread reminded him of that incident and they're not so keen now.
Can't say as I blame them.
AlanH.

Hi ATH, this is my second RR and is my last.

I am looking at a number of options to get rid of this pussbox, and which ever way I go, I’ll loose buckets on the changeover but as far as I’m concerned, these new RR’s are unsafe at any speed.

This is the second potentially lethal incident I’ve had with this heap, the first was a cracked mag that allowed the rear driver’s side tyre to deflate and destroyed the tyre.

Luckily I was not on the open road or a freeway when it happened.

I suppose the real question is why there was such a high power drain to cause it to shut down. Your previous post indicates the auto elect. suspects the alternator, so the real blame may lie with the manufacturer of the alternator, not LR. Its obviously impossible for a manufacturer to individually test every single component, they only do batch testing and rely on the manufacturers' guarantee that it meets specifications. The alternator in my Disco failed about 6 years ago and I blamed the Italian manufacturer, not LR. Same goes with your failed mag. wheel - the fault is with the manufacturer.
I see Rolls Royce has paid Qantas $76 million compensation for the failure of its engines in Qantas jets, for example. I wonder how much Toyota sued the supplier of the carpets in its Camrys for?

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I suppose the real question is why there was such a high power drain to cause it to shut down. Your previous post indicates the auto elect. suspects the alternator, so the real blame may lie with the manufacturer of the alternator, not LR. Its obviously impossible for a manufacturer to individually test every single component, they only do batch testing and rely on the manufacturers' guarantee that it meets specifications. The alternator in my Disco failed about 6 years ago and I blamed the Italian manufacturer, not LR. Same goes with your failed mag. wheel - the fault is with the manufacturer.
I see Rolls Royce has paid Qantas $76 million compensation for the failure of its engines in Qantas jets, for example. I wonder how much Toyota sued the supplier of the carpets in its Camrys for?

Even if it is proven to be the alternator that is causing the major current draw, the fact is the vehicle had a major power outage, that very very quickly became extremely dangerous.

Ok, cant open the tail-gate, usually an inconvenience. But having the steering lock,as well as not being able to move the gear leaver, these are where the real issues are.

Sure, an alternator can fail, a fuel pump can fail, a battery will die, you will get a flat. None of these will happen when you are pulling into the service centre, but none of these should render a vehicle dangerous at 100 kmh.

I think the whole point is, LR have relied so much on electronics, and left out manual over-rides, that there is now a single point of failure that can effect a number of major systems. The alternator failing isnt necessarily the issue. The reliance of so many other systems on this one point, is...