Reply With QuoteThere were a lot of thing I did not like or agree with what Kennet did but when he came to power Victoria was a financial basket case thanks to the previous Cain/kirner government.
Dave.
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Yeah that was my point, imagine what the greens would doOriginally Posted by Disco44
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SubscriberThere were a lot of thing I did not like or agree with what Kennet did but when he came to power Victoria was a financial basket case thanks to the previous Cain/kirner government.
Dave.
Swaggie
Is that you Tony Abbott, or is it Alan Jones??
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Slunnie
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SubscriberNo I am just an ordinary Australian fed up with government waste and tax.Is that you Tony Abbott, or is it Alan Jones??
Dave.
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SubscriberChucaro,Are you people dreaming that if the Libs win next election they are going to remove the tax or not add new ones?
Both parties are the same pirates
I think that one of the problems that we have in Australia is our vast distances and the size of the roads network for perhaps only 6 millon of users.
It seems as if the English brought their little roads over with them. Australian infrastructure planners seems to lack the ability to estimate traffic growth and urban expansion in the future. In the US the roads were (for the most part) built out in the 50's and consequently the US has one of the finest infrastructure systems in the world.
It's beyond me what Aussie road planners are trying to do. It seems as if their wages aren't of an acceptable standard and yet another tax is to be introduced.
Alex
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To be fair, I think that America has a significantly greater length of history, much less land per head and were in a much stronger financial position than Aus at the time. I'd bet the political discussions back then were exactly the same as those going on now with the unneeded NBN.
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Slunnie
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There is about $500 billion dollars going over seas in foreign aid! how about keeping some of that here! It would put all the homeless people in the country in housing, Fix up all our roads, hospitals and education and without increasing our taxes. As for the Carbon Tax... the climate has been changing ever since the earth was created. there as been ice ages and the scientist will agree. What happend between the ice age??? did the globe not heat up like it is now?? We are not causing it, it is all part of a cycle. I do agree that we shouldn't be polluting like we do. If tarriffs were put back on item that we use to make in this country then this could reduce quite a number of ship movements a year which would have much more of an impact the driving my V8 landie about or turning on some lights of a night time. We dig coal out of the ground and sell it to China. We dig iron ore out of the ground and sell it to China. We buy steel from China. This makes no sence to me. Put the tarriffs on and make the imported steel cost more than locally produced. That would reduce the ship movements, and also create more jobs in this country getting people off the dole as well!!! This would make much more sence. And anyone who cannot get a job in the Hunter Valley Doesn't want to work.
Tim
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Its 4.8 billion for 2011-12, not 500 billion. It's also only 0.35% of Gov income that goes toward place like indonesia having schools, african communities being able to access drinking water that doesn't make them sick and giving eye treatment. Surely we are not that selfish in a wealthy country that really does have everything.
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Slunnie
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Swaggie
IMO part of the problem it is not only with the road planners but also with the town planners as well.
The cities expand to far taken an area as big as other countries cities where it population on them is double that the ones in Oz.
We are living well beyond our means and it is time to come to terms with reality.
The problem it is not only roads but also the other services like water, waste, electricity, etc.
The day that we centralize town and road planners (and rail for that matter) instead of having local, state and federal departments planning without talking to each other things will improve
Swaggie
In USA during 1956, most limited-access highways in the eastern United States were toll roads. In that year, the federal Interstate Highway program was established, funding non-toll roads with 90% federal dollars and 10% state match, giving little incentive for states to expand their turnpike systems. Funding rules initially restricted collections of tolls on newly funded roadways, bridges, and tunnels. In some situations, expansion or rebuilding of a toll facility using Interstate Highway Program funding resulted in the removal of existing tolls. This occurred in Virginia on Interstate 64 at the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel when a second parallel roadway to the regional 1958 bridge-tunnel was completed in 1976.
In USA, since the completion of the initial portion of the interstate highway system, regulations were changed, and portions of toll facilities have been added to the system. Some states are again looking at toll financing for new roads and maintenance, to supplement limited federal funding. In some areas, new road projects have been completed and later maintained with public-private partnerships funded by tolls, also known as build-operate-transfer systems. One such public-private partnership was the constructions of the Pocahontas Parkway near Richmond, Virginia, which features a costly high level bridge over the shipping channel of the James River and connects Interstate 95 with Interstate 295 to the south of the city.
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