Thread: Carbon Tax. Well someone had to bring it up!

Hino have some hybrid trucks and sold them to TNT

Originally Posted by Chucaro

Hino have some hybrid trucks and sold them to TNT

With the single exception of hybrids being used in city stop-start traffic all day, an efficient diesel vehicle is more economical, in both purchase price, fuel economy at speeds constantly above (usually) 70KPH, and maintenance cost once the vehicle has to have it's battery pack replaced (frequently as little as 4-6 years).

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

...the vehicle has to have it's battery pack replaced (frequently as little as 4-6 years).

No so - Prius's have an 8 year (160k km???) warranty on the battery - I believe others are similar.

Any more Boltesque untruths ?

Btw - there are companies (escape me at the moment) who have come up with the idea of standard sized swappable batteries in EVs. So instead of going into servos to refuel, you go in and they swap the battery for you.

However for long haul trucking, diesel will be around for a long time...

Originally Posted by isuzurover

No so - Prius's have an 8 year (160k km???) warranty on the battery - I believe others are similar.

Any more Boltesque untruths ?
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However for long haul trucking, diesel will be around for a long time...

That may be what the Toyota book says, but if you talk to the NRMA road service people, they have been finding numerous hybrids that haven't got anywhere near 8 years on the the battery pack.

It may be a warranty claim, but damned frustrating if it's a second hand ex-government car that you've just bought.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

With the single exception of hybrids being used in city stop-start traffic all day, an efficient diesel vehicle is more economical, in both purchase price, fuel economy at speeds constantly above (usually) 70KPH, and maintenance cost once the vehicle has to have it's battery pack replaced (frequently as little as 4-6 years).

Sometimes a tiny bit of research can dispel common untruths and sometimes even blatant lies...

I simply googled "Diesel electric truck" and the hits are endless... for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel-electric_transmission

The technology is here, in fact, Diesel electric transmissions have been around for over 100 years! So who is standing in the way of Australia progressing? Who do you think?

Like I said, instead of giving the big companies an excuse to pass on what ever costs they seem fit and blame the government for it, invest it into R&D and say NO to the big rip offs

TNT claims that each Hino Hybrid 300 Series in its fleets reduces greenhouse gas emissions by an average of 1,600 kilograms of CO2 a year and that the new automatic transmission truck offers significant fuel savings compared with an equivalent diesel automatic truck.
Hino Hybrid reduces fuel consumption by up to 39% for urban and city.These figures have been compared to a normal Hino 300 diesel truck.

Originally Posted by Marshall

Sometimes a tiny bit of research can dispel common untruths and sometimes even blatant lies...

I simply googled "Diesel electric truck" and the hits are endless... for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel-electric_transmission

The technology is here, in fact, Diesel electric transmissions have been around for over 100 years! So who is standing in the way of Australia progressing? Who do you think?

Like I said, instead of giving the big companies an excuse to pass on what ever costs they seem fit and blame the government for it, invest it into R&D and say NO to the big rip offs

Yes we know submarines in WWI were petrol/electric or diesel/electric, but I'm not talking diesel electric, which use the diesel to generate the electrictity to directly power the traction motors, I'm talking about hybrid technology of a battery electric vehicle with a small petrol/diesel backup generator. Once the hybrid technology vehicle goes over a particular speed the batteries require charging from the engine and at highway speeds the back-up generator is running flat out. It is at these (urban motorway or highway) speeds an efficient conventional drive internal combustion (or diesel-electric) engine is more fuel economic than a hybrid electric vehicle.

The issue here is that in long distance rail freight where diesel-electric is currently the only player the diesel fuel is going to be subject to the $23/ton carbon tax. And the same in long-distance road freight, diesel is currently the only viable option and subject to the carbon tax.

Originally Posted by Chucaro

TNT claims that each Hino Hybrid 300 Series in its fleets reduces greenhouse gas emissions by an average of 1,600 kilograms of CO2 a year and that the new automatic transmission truck offers significant fuel savings compared with an equivalent diesel automatic truck.
Hino Hybrid reduces fuel consumption by up to 39% for urban and city.These figures have been compared to a normal Hino 300 diesel truck.

The Hino Hybrid 300 are merely a 3 tonne local delivery truck and used in the stop start mode of city deliveries are ideally suited to the use of hybrid electric technologies.

They will never be a solution to long distance road transport, until the electric charging system is built into the roads they travel upon. (and most imporrtantly the mains electricity comes from a low GHG emitting power station.)

There are options to improve the emissions in long distance trucks.
The Volvo FM truck compared with diesel engine trucks, natural gas can reduce emission of carbon by 10%. And Volvo natural gas technology can improve 30%-40% efficiency than conventional natural gas spark ignition engine and 25% less fuel consumption.
13L engine is adopted in the truck and biggest power is 460 hp and biggest torque 2,300 N.m.