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Thread: Are we in a recession or do I just think we are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Work Choices put an end to all that.
    how quickly we forget, and how easily we use "SOME" elements of the past to put a point of view across and seamlessly "forget" to tell the whole truth. Work Choices hasn't been around for years. and infact i took a pay cut due to it being repealed. ( i don't need 4 weeks holiday a year so took an option to work through and get double pay, under current laws, i am not allowed to do that even though it suits me ) in addition we are back to the previous days where we can't sack an employee without going through mediation yada yada yada even though we caught him red handed stealing.

    "The Workplace Relations Act 1996, as amended by the Workplace Relations Amendment Act 2005, popularly known as Work Choices, was a Legislative Act of the Australian Parliament that came into effect in March 2006 which involved many controversial amendments to the Workplace Relations Act 1996, the main federal statute which regulated industrial relations in Australia."
    "Work Choices was a major issue in the 2007 federal election, as the Australian Labor Party (ALP) vowed to abolish it. Labor under Kevin Rudd subsequently won the election, with Work Choices being one of the biggest issues of the campaign, and repealed the entirety of the WorkChoices legislation shortly after assuming office."

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    Was sent this through the week.

    Dummies guide to what went wrong in Europe ...

    Helga is the proprietor of a bar.

    She realises that virtually all of her customers are
    unemployed alcoholics and, as such, can no longer afford to
    patronise her bar.

    To solve this problem, she comes up with a new
    marketing plan that allows her customers to drink now, but
    pay later.

    Helga keeps track of the drinks consumed on a ledger
    (thereby granting the customers' loans).

    Word gets around about Helga's 'drink now, pay later'
    marketing strategy and, as a result, increasing numbers of
    customers flood into Helga's bar.

    Soon she has the largest sales volume for any bar in
    town.

    By providing her customers freedom from immediate
    payment demands, Helga gets no resistance when, at regular
    intervals, she substantially increases her prices for wine
    and beer, the most consumed beverages.

    Consequently, Helga's gross sales volume increases
    massively.

    A young and dynamic vice-president at the local bank
    recognises that these customer debts constitute valuable
    future assets and increases Helga's borrowing limit.

    He sees no reason for any undue concern, since he has
    the debts of the unemployed alcoholics as collateral!

    At the bank's corporate headquarters, expert traders
    figure a way to make huge commissions, and transform these customer loans
    into DRINKBONDS.

    These 'securities' then are bundled and traded on
    international securities markets.

    Naive investors don't really understand that the
    securities being sold to them as 'AA Secured Bonds' really
    are debts of unemployed alcoholics.

    Nevertheless, the bond prices continuously climb, and
    the securities soon become the hottest-selling items for
    some of the nation's leading brokerage houses.

    One day, even though the bond prices still are
    climbing, a risk manager at the original local bank decides
    that the time has come to demand payment on the debts
    incurred by the drinkers at Helga's bar. He so informs
    Helga.

    Helga then demands payment from her alcoholic patrons,
    but being unemployed alcoholics they cannot pay back their
    drinking debts.

    Since Helga cannot fulfil her loan obligations she is
    forced into bankruptcy. The bar closes and Helga's 11
    employees lose their jobs.

    Overnight, DRINKBOND prices drop by 90%. The collapsed
    bond asset value destroys the bank's liquidity and prevents
    it from issuing new loans, thus freezing credit and economic
    activity in the community.

    The suppliers of Helga's bar had granted her generous
    payment extensions and had invested their firms' pension
    funds in the BOND securities. They find they are now faced
    with having to write off her bad debt and with losing over
    90% of the presumed value of the bonds.

    Her wine supplier also claims bankruptcy, closing the
    doors on a family business that had endured for three
    generations, her beer supplier is taken over by a competitor

    who immediately closes the local plant and lays off 150
    workers.

    Fortunately though, the bank, the brokerage houses and
    their respective executives are saved and bailed out by a
    multibillion dollar no-strings attached cash infusion from
    the government.

    The funds required for this bailout are obtained by
    new taxes levied on employed, middle-class, non-drinkers who
    have never been in Helga's bar.

    Now do you understand?


    If you wondered what the carbon tax was for, read the last paragraph again. In our case it is to regain the money from failed stimulose packages put upon us by pollies who have never owned or run a business, labor.

    And how does labor manage these new taxes, more public servants, another reason for the Creek collapse.

    How does labor fix debt, tax the midle like it always does. So less to spend less growth.

    Our banks are not lending either, try and get money at the moment, you migt get a car. If the banks dont release money you dont get flow, so the economy slows or stops.

    We have had a tech boom and bust, a property and stocks boom and bust, we now have a minning boom and once the minning companies have finalized infrastructure in South Africa and South America where they do not have our taxes and compliance costs, we will have a minning bust.

    We have a Government hell bent on spending and taxing in a country relying at present on minning. Combine that with overseas problems and the banks wont lend so no growth.

    I have owned businesses and employed people. The way things are at present there is no way I would risk our house to start or buy a businesses, even if I could get the money.

    Keep buying overseas, that way we wont have to wait to go broke, lets get it over and done with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post

    Keep buying overseas, that way we wont have to wait to go broke, lets get it over and done with.
    i love it, that has to be the quote of the decade
    glad to hear i am not the only one that is concerned with what's going on here

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    repealed the entirety of the WorkChoices legislation shortly after assuming office."
    The effects of it continue. I know from recent experience.
    Anyway, that's not the point of this thread, so I don't want to say any more.

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    but my life coach said i have to be my own boss to truly be successful. haaaa

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    Well I have just seen the 1st D3 on Carsales for $18k.

    That is $5k down on 6 months ago.

    Whether it is a recession or not I think people are closing their wallets and waiting to see what happens.

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    I went for a drive through Metung, located on the Gippsland Lakes on Sunday.
    The amount of waterfront properties for sale was incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black betty View Post
    <snip>...Whether it is a recession or not I think people are closing their wallets and waiting to see what happens.
    That's exactly what we're supposed to be doing, and why the govt has stopped stimulating the economy. It's now time to put cash back in the bank.

    The property firesales and cheap cars probably stem from over-leveraged borrowing. Good time to swoop if you've been careful with your dough...

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    New car sales last year were an all time record. New car sales in Jan. & Feb. this year were likewise.

    If so many are doing it tough why are they not severely dropping the prices of the houses they have for sale? Seems they are doing well enough to be able to afford to wait for a better deal. People around here are still trying to get 2008 boom prices for property. Land sharks tell me that their job is very difficult right now with a gulf between what vendors are asking and will not move from, and the expectations of buyers who want big reductions from the boom prices.

    With record new car sales it follows that there are a lot of used cars for sale so the used car prices should be down to buggery. Doesn't look that way to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm View Post
    New car sales last year were an all time record. New car sales in Jan. & Feb. this year were likewise.

    If so many are doing it tough why are they not severely dropping the prices of the houses they have for sale? Seems they are doing well enough to be able to afford to wait for a better deal. People around here are still trying to get 2008 boom prices for property. Land sharks tell me that their job is very difficult right now with a gulf between what vendors are asking and will not move from, and the expectations of buyers who want big reductions from the boom prices.

    With record new car sales it follows that there are a lot of used cars for sale so the used car prices should be down to buggery. Doesn't look that way to me.
    QLD and WA are the engine room of the economy Brian, I'm not surprised things are going well up your way.

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