Thread: one for the young Greenies.

Originally Posted by Benz

......would hardly call that clever farming...

And now we're getting GM crops pushed down our necks... crops which will cause more pollution (herbicide resistant so farmers spray MORE poisons,,) ,and we're ingesting toxins, weird genes and substances, whilst the farmer becomes locked into buying his seed from... Guess who owns the local seed companies ??? Do you see the price of seed and chemicals coming down? - Not the usual behaviour from MONSANTO et al.

Naturally, no-one notices the minor detail that GM crops are rarely as cost-efficient as non-GM.

The elephant in the room is.... the herd needs to be thinned.

Benz, you have good points but, you should know that a LOT has changed in the last 50 years with farming.

You don't see large eroded slashes on hills much any more.

Minimum till, zero till have really changed the practices of farmers. and it is an insult to them to suggest that they haven't learned anything in 200 years.
And Landcare has reforested quite a few areas.
Most farmers know that the soil is their livelihood and care for their properties even though unfair world markets mean that they make very little money, to be able to reinvest.

Riparian zones now ensure cattle in many places do not spoil waterways.

Most of the artesian bores have now been capped.

Regards Philip A

have you considered becoming a vegan/vegetarian?
No, and never will. We are omnivirous animals, it's why we have teeth to cut and tear meat as well as crush vegatables etc. We also have a gut which processes the foods we are meant to eat. We'd all have mouths and teeth like cows ( and several stomachs perhaps?) if we were meant to eat only vegetables. The fact is that the human species may well not have survived were we not able to eat pretty much any type of food available to us.
Don't do all the farming stuff.... fertilisers and ploughing etc.... How many of us would simply starve due to the lack of available food? If the world said 'only organic' then half the world would starve.

We are the only species on earth which can actually produce food for our own survival. It is one of the main reasons we are at the top of the food chain.

Yes previous generations may have been wasteful in many ways and perhaps those of my generation (born mid 50's) did develop the products we now say are so bad. But the generstion now is more wasteful and in many cases less caring of the environment than we were, and we were not educated the way the current generation is. We were taught to throw rubbish in a bin, not simply leave it in the car park or worse, on the side of the road in the bush.

Oh, while I'm here... we also were taught to have respect for our elders and the property of others. We were also taught manners. All these seem to have gone, or are going. Very sad indeed.

I know allot has changed.

guess i was pointing out the mistakes made back when it was first cleared.

allot of what was done can't be undone so easily.

Originally Posted by Hymie

I've seen an old school panel beater useliquid lead as a filler and shape it with hand tools when it cooled!

yes bring back the art of the lead sled..... lead poisoning be damned, if someone rocked up at the front of my place in a stock lead sled (as in no wanked up electronic engine shoe horned in to make it do good burnouts with a sound system with more power than the original donk) and asked for a help on a greaser fix he'd get it

Originally Posted by wardy1

No, and never will. We are omnivirous animals, it's why we have teeth to cut and tear meat as well as crush vegatables etc. We also have a gut which processes the foods we are meant to eat. We'd all have mouths and teeth like cows ( and several stomachs perhaps?) if we were meant to eat only vegetables. The fact is that the human species may well not have survived were we not able to eat pretty much any type of food available to us....

A number of studies have conclusively shown that vegetarians have longer life expectancy.

Most farmland is used to grow grain to feed to animals. If the average american ate 8kg/person/year less meat, there would be enough surplus grain to feed the entire 3rd world.

Note that I love meat and am not willing to give it up despite likely health benefits, but I am also not deluding myself...

Originally Posted by It'sNotWorthComplaining!

The milkman had a horse and cart and delivered milk in glass reusable bottles.

I must be getting old! Our milkman came with his horse and cart full of milk churns. He had a half pint dipper (which hung on the inside of the churn) that he used to dip milk from his churn into our billy. How many dips he put into our billy depended on how much money was left in the bottom of the billy hanging on our gate post.

Originally Posted by Owl

I must be getting old! Our milkman came with his horse and cart full of milk churns. He had a half pint dipper (which hung on the inside of the churn) that he used to dip milk from his churn into our billy. How many dips he put into our billy depended on how much money was left in the bottom of the billy hanging on our gate post.

That was in the bush in my young times but not in Montevideo