Thread: landrovers.... not what they used to be...

The LR vehicles are no orphans.

The modern vehicles are loaded with electronics, not just the 4WD's. Try changing the brakes pads on a modern sedan with stability control. Most have to be disabled at the ECU before any work can commence.

Welcome to the modern world.

I used to work with a bloke in Kalgoorlie who bought a new i30 which won't select gears if a light globe blows,twice he had it towed for that reason. Pat

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

Ok Conclusive proof, the defenders with the **** bulges in the bonnet, or Fords as I refer to them are NOT defenders.

On my recent drive out to Emerald we passed something like 30 landies while I was at the wheel....

Defender drivers wave, Check, every single time AND I was in a disco.
Disco Drivers, Check, well mostly usually the D1s waved and occasionally the D2s.
Ford Drivers, Nope, Not a single one out of about 10.

Since Defender drivers wave and all......

I don't buy it Dave,

I drive a '03 Disco 2 and wave at everybody. Rarely get waves from pre bonnet bulge Defenders.

Have had some great waves from bonnet bulge defeers - and some good chats on the side of the road. One guy in North Sydney who was absolutely stoked to be owning a Land Rover.

What about the Queen. She gets about in a very modern untraditional Range Rover.

And she waves to everybody.

you were driving a.....................................D1, i drive a defender and never wave at discos, maybe i should buy a puma

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

Ok Conclusive proof, the defenders with the **** bulges in the bonnet, or Fords as I refer to them are NOT defenders.

On my recent drive out to Emerald we passed something like 30 landies while I was at the wheel....

Defender drivers wave, Check, every single time AND I was in a disco.
Disco Drivers, Check, well mostly usually the D1s waved and occasionally the D2s.
Ford Drivers, Nope, Not a single one out of about 10.

Since Defender drivers wave and all......

I drive a Puma and I wave..

but maybe I've yet to be affected by the snobbery of people like you who like to put themselves on some sort of fake pedestal by making ridiculous statements like Puma's are not Defenders..

The only thing that statements like that is going to achieve is segregation and animosity between older and newer Defender drivers.. and what a waste of time that is because once the 'old' Defenders were new too.. and I have to wonder if the owners of those vehicles were also ridiculed and snubbed because they were fortunate enough to have a newer version of the same brand of car..

The whole approach to owning a car has changed.
Most people only keep them for a few years and they are now more worried about how 'green' it is and whether it has the creature comforts they demand.

If I go back to my Dad's first new car purchase it was effectively several years salary to pay for it, today it would be maybe 6-8months salary to buy a new car. The way to sell them 'cheaply' is to mass produce them and get them into the wreckers asap.
I run my business vehicle for at least 8 years (4 with me then 4 with the wife) but most new car purchasers aim to update them in 3 years or less.

Because you don't have to fix things any longer (just chuck it away and buy another) there is a trend towards people being less practical. Because they then have to pay people to fix their car they want to buy a new one with a warranty rather than fix up the old one (plus there is the element of 'keeping up with the neighbours')

I read an article the other day written by Jay Leno. A friend of his who has a stable of exotic classics told his son that he would buy him whatever car he wanted (money was not an issue). He asked for a Prius ! His reasoning was that it had good ipod connectivity !!!

Basically the car used to be a 'durable' and for many years now it has been a 'consumable'.

Our older Land Rover are 'durables' and it's cost effective for us to keep them running. I'm positive that overall they are 'greener' than most new vehicles because they can have a very long life.
'Green' nowadays means low emissions, but quickly scrapped and somehow people forget the emissions creating the car (especially the batteries) and the fact that they are scrapped in a very short time then another car is purchased with the associated emissions to produce it.

I think the latest Defenders are great vehicles, I'd love to own one but will stick to older Land Rovers that I can maintain myself. My business car will remain a 'consumable' product.



Colin

Originally Posted by Sue

I drive a Puma and I wave..

but maybe I've yet to be affected by the snobbery of people like you who like to put themselves on some sort of fake pedestal by making ridiculous statements like Puma's are not Defenders..

The only thing that statements like that is going to achieve is segregation and animosity between older and newer Defender drivers.. and what a waste of time that is because once the 'old' Defenders were new too.. and I have to wonder if the owners of those vehicles were also ridiculed and snubbed because they were fortunate enough to have a newer version of the same brand of car..

Please don't associate your Ford powered monstrosity with my Land Rover, the only things they have in common is the overall shape and the now (thanks to the Puma) tarnished badge.