this would make me very nervous, record gun sales in US

I'm late to the thread, fearing it would be a rehash of the nonsense in the other 'gun' threads...

I was wrong! This thread is a work of comedy genius!

Thanks everyone - those posing as right wing lunatics in fear of black helicopters and the gummint are doing a excellent job, sometimes a little over the top, but generally the impressions are spot on. I'm not sure who thought up the idea of individuals with pop-guns providing an effective resistance to a military force of any kind - but that aspect alone makes this thread worth the price of admission!

Keep up the good work...

Cheers,

Adam

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Originally Posted by waz

I guess that's why they used the term "A well regulated militia". It was never meant to be an individual's fight. It just uses the individual's defined right to keep and bear arms.

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I'll accept that back in history your rights could well be defended by a personal stash of guns, when your enemies had spears and arrows and coshes and knives. But this is the 21st century and the best weapon is information. When the guvmint has surveillance fully covered, your best bet is the collection and distribution of information right back at them. Think RC helicopters with cameras etc. Think underground resistance. Guns are sooo yesterday.

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I'll accept that back in history your rights could well be defended by a personal stash of guns, when your enemies had spears and arrows and coshes and knives. But this is the 21st century and the best weapon is information. When the guvmint has surveillance fully covered, your best bet is the collection and distribution of information right back at them. Think RC helicopters with cameras etc. Think underground resistance. Guns are sooo yesterday.

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I can't understand people who think guns are an effective tool in an insurgency. Don't they watch the news? How are guns working out for the insurgents in Syria? How did they work out for the insurgents in Libya?

Have a look at the effective insurgencies in recent times (Iraq & Afghanistan for a start) - the gun hardly features in terms of effectiveness. In fact, owning a gun is a sure way to get yourself killed in those countries. If you really believe the gummint is coming for you, your best bet is to sell your guns and use the money to get an electrical engineering or chemistry degree.

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I can't understand people who think guns are an effective tool in an insurgency. Don't they watch the news? How are guns working out for the insurgents in Syria? How did they work out for the insurgents in Libya?

Have a look at the effective insurgencies in recent times (Iraq & Afghanistan for a start) - the gun hardly features in terms of effectiveness. In fact, owning a gun is a sure way to get yourself killed in those countries. If you really believe the gummint is coming for you, your best bet is to sell your guns and use the money to get an electrical engineering or chemistry degree.

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I would say that its working very well in Afghanistan or else why are our troops over there. A bunch of desert dwellers with granddads old Lee Enfields have been embarrassing every army sent against them.

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Guns are sooo yesterday.

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Yep. When do we get the sharks with frikken lasers?

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...012/09/913.jpg

This was posted on facebook a few minutes ago
...i'm not claiming the statistics are correct

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https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...012/09/913.jpg

This was posted on facebook a few minutes ago
...i'm not claiming the statistics are correct

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And probably different years and circumstances for each country listed.

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I'm late to the thread, fearing it would be a rehash of the nonsense in the other 'gun' threads...

I was wrong! This thread is a work of comedy genius!

Thanks everyone - those posing as right wing lunatics in fear of black helicopters and the gummint are doing a excellent job, sometimes a little over the top, but generally the impressions are spot on. I'm not sure who thought up the idea of individuals with pop-guns providing an effective resistance to a military force of any kind - but that aspect alone makes this thread worth the price of admission!

Keep up the good work...

Cheers,

Adam

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Adam perhaps you should toddle off back to the sandpit until you can develop some form of worthwhile addition to the topic rather than stooping to personal abuse. Please present us with some form of cogent debatable info ie. provide content or STFU.
It might interest you to know that the people posting in this topic who you are generalising as 'right wing lunatics' and 'in fear of ..... gummint' are actually from a diverse background including well educated professionals with politically moderate viewpoints.
It is genuinely sad that when the gun control brigade run out of an ability to argue with common sense that this sort of childish response of name calling and stereotyping becomes their go-to tool. Come on present us with arguments on why gun control is a good thing. Look up some stats for yourselves. I will even start you off. Go and look at the incident rates for gun crime vs. knife crime in Australia before and after Howards legislation. Report back here with the results and we will welcome the discussion.

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I would say that its working very well in Afghanistan or else why are our troops over there. A bunch of desert dwellers with granddads old Lee Enfields have been embarrassing every army sent against them.

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Worked out pretty well for the resistance in Libya too. Didn't the people defeat Gaddafi?

The people in Syria are also proving to be a thorn in the side of the Ba'ath Party regime. Someone should tell them "guns are so yesterday".

OK, since I have been invited to bring along some facts I will:

Insurgencies are not won with rifles. They are fought primarily with asymmetric weapons. If you aren't sure what I mean, think about NATO aircraft bombing the Libyan pro-Gaddafi forces. Not too many rifles can destroy a tank. If that doesn't make sense, look up the casualty stats for Afghanistan - see how many people have been shot compared to the number killed or injured in IED/Mine incidents. If that still doesn't make sense I can't help you.

I'm happy for someone to give me an example of an insurgency won by people with rifles. I can't think of one myself, so I'll be interested to learn something.

None of this will matter in this thread, it never does. People don't change their minds from a few hastily constructed sentences or a few well chosen links. No one will read my post and zoom off to a library to read 'The Bear Went Over The Mountain', or buy a copy of David Killcullen's excellent 'Counterinsurgency Handbook'. People who think guns are cool will head off to their favourite gun site and post up rants about 'peaceniks', anti-gun people will search out information that confirms guns are bad.

We've all been around this track so many times, surely we know that the internet is not a place for cogent debate, it's a place where birds of a feather can flock together. I'll happily sit down and talk about guns, insurgencies and asymmetric warfare with any of you, but it is quite pointless to do it here.

Having said all that, why did I post what I posted? Certainly not because I thought 'if I use sarcasm people will rethink their beliefs'! I posted it because I find it sad that some people think their gun is going to protect them, and I know there are others on here who have a similar opinion.

Cheers,

Adam