Tell me, so when someone in government tramples on your rights, don't call a lawyer, just pull out your pop gun and shoot someone? That'll go over well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Land-Rover
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Tell me, so when someone in government tramples on your rights, don't call a lawyer, just pull out your pop gun and shoot someone? That'll go over well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Land-Rover
Interesting comment, lets take this one step further. OK, mythical country , shall we call it fantasy land, has such a constitution. Immigrants, legal or otherwise, with a different religion, and mind set to the founding fathers, over a long period of time,build up their numbers, thru childbirth, decide the Government of fantasyland does not represent their ideas or values. They declare the fantasyland Gov. to be tyrannical, and are well armed, and have the numbers to overthrow the "tyrannical government". That is almost as ridiculous as your comment about Washington. BobQuote:
Originally Posted by waz
I dont think its the" right" as such to take anothers life. Its more the "right" to defend oneself. One can say bugger off I have a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
I am too old to fight and if someone kicks in the door of the camper I will say bugger off. If the bad guy does not pay attention then its his problem.
This thread is not just about hand guns but all guns.
I really want to know how you want this to work. Where do you keep the gun? Is it always loaded? Is it unloaded and you just wave it at the crim? How many nights a week do you stay in a state of high alert until you finally fall asleep? How many night time noises will make you reach for your gun to blow some lowlife's head off? If the local crims all know you have a gun will they try to steal it when you are out? What if the crim bought a legal gun and aims for your head through the camper wall?Quote:
Originally Posted by 123rover50
I really hope you can get a good night's sleep with all these potential baddies at your door.
There is nothing like a debate on gun ownership, attacked and defended, analyzed and probed from every angle and direction to bring out some of the most stupid weird and ridiculous statements you will ever hear. And I have certainly been entertained again in the last eight pages. I'm sure some people on this forum are hiding right now behind their barricaded front doors, weapons cocked and ready, just waitin for the guvment to come a knockin!!
Take a breath people. The footy finals are on for Christ sake and the Cats have been knocked out!
I would do what any other educated person would do,I would use my right to vote to put a Government in power that I feel would do the best for Australia,if it didn't work out I would again use my right to vote to remove them from power.Just as a side note this afternoon I attended a resus that was unsucessfull and the patient was called deceased,for all you people on here who want to have the right to take a life,do any of you really know what it's like?. PatQuote:
Originally Posted by Land-Rover
Well, living in Africa I have a uniquely alternative view on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by PAT303
Suffice to say that one should NOT always assume that democracy cannot lead to oppression in a very short period.....Zimbabwe trip, anybody????
As for seeing somebody breath their last after a gunshot wound: yes, why? Doesn't make the WEAPON evil?
Should we ban tyres and petrol and matches because Winnie Mandela (the militant mental bitch) burnt people for being counter-revlutionary?
Should we ban electricity and water because the CIA likes to persuade people in other ways?
Should we ban CARS because they cause more deaths per capita than anything else?
Pat, no one wants the right to take a life. They want the right to defend one, theirs. Who gave governments the right to tell people how they can preserve their own own life when threatened.
And to the over exaggerators out there. No one is suggesting that the general population could fight off an invading army if that ever were to happen. But think about the flip side. It is one thing to take a country but its another thing to keep it. Armed citizens traditionally accept the invaders and then form guerilla forces against their occupation (except if you are French). We live in a beautiful, peaceful and resource rich country with a very small population. Things are great - at the moment. That could all change in a heartbeat. There is a word for people who go through life with blinkers on thinking that the benevolent government will always care for them - sheeple.
A governments role is to administer, not control.
If I remember correctly,way back in the 70's Australia was a signatuary to the UN convention/charter to disarm the civilian population of ALL countries that were UN members, but it was never enforced by several Govts,until the Howard govt decided to act,but they needed a catalyst !
hence the Port Arthur shooting spree,which Martyn Bryant was blamed, charged and convicted.
Does make one think seeing he was such a poor shot, and a lot of those killed were head shots!
Where exactly did I say that someone has a right to take another's life?Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
In US Constitutional law, there is a document called the Bill of Rights. It is the first ten amendments to the US Constitution. It defines some the "certain unalienable Rights" "endowed upon man by their Creator" (These terms come from the Declaration of Independence - not me).
I think where you might be getting confused is that the US Constitution is a document that places restrictions on the government - and protects the rights of the people.
In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), The Supreme Court of the US defined that the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms for traditionally lawful purposes - of which defence of life is one.
Anarchy does not reign when law abiding people are armed. Kennesaw GA have a city ordinance that all law abiding heads of household must own and maintain a working firearm. Guess what.... no anarchy.
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