This might help explainQuote:
Originally Posted by AndrewGJones
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...013/02/705.jpg
Hmm, Smart Crash test dummy
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This might help explainQuote:
Originally Posted by AndrewGJones
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...013/02/705.jpg
Hmm, Smart Crash test dummy
haha, that would explain it then.
This conversation is actually making me rethink alot of my opinions on the subject and the list of mods I want now has these at the top of the list.;
Defender cages by Safety Devices
Of the two major accidents I've walked away from, one was a rollover, and the defender doesn't look like it does well at all.
Still, I'll stick by my basic 'it's the driver' more than the vehicle most of the time determining safety.
He's no dummy, he just doesn't want to see a perfectly good Defender with another 50 years left in it smashed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by goingbush
Unless we could compare the defender in the same accident you can't use this to prove anything other than a head on collision between an Audi traveling much faster than a Disco = Disco Win.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryO
What if two cars are heading for a head on collision both traveling at 100kph. One is a D3 with its crumple zones, monoqoque body and bull bar the other a defender 110 with a steel ladder chassis anchored bull bar. Which one would you rather be in? You wouldn't want to be in either of course, and personally I would have to flip a coin. A solid defender would use the disco as a crumple zone and could rip through the disco, mount it and decapitate it - you just don't know.
I like isuzurovers graph showing driver protection from real world data, it seems like a more informed way to choose a safe car.
Its a common way to do a chassis swap on defenders. A damn sight easier than on a disco. The owner of this vehicle has gone with the optional roll cage safety feature. :p.Quote:
Originally Posted by TerryO
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...013/02/503.jpg
I do not only own a Defender, for the majority of drives that involve 100% tarmac I have no reason to use a disco or any other big 4x4. But that's just me. And that is why this thread is redonk, completely futile. Let's start a new thread in the general section 'Whats better, a pen or a pencil?'
Pencil, they work in space. Although I've always fancied a pen, for the weekends......
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Its a common way to do a chassis swap on defenders. A damn sight easier than on a disco. The owner of this vehicle has gone with the optional roll cage safety feature. :p.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...013/02/503.jpg
I do not only own a Defender, for the majority of drives that involve 100% tarmac I have no reason to use a disco or any other big 4x4. But that's just me. And that is why this thread is redonk, completely futile. Let's start a new thread in the general section 'Whats better, a pen or a pencil?'
Am I the only one that had to look twice at this picture because it looked like the body had been lifted with a toilet roll:D
ahemQuote:
Originally Posted by Rohan
I have a Fisher Space Pen, it works in space, writes underwater and writes on oily paper - try doing that with a pencil.
Perfect for my Defender, it even writes on damp / dusty / oily paper. ;)
Personally I don't like the feel of a pencil when writing, it has a strange textured feeling and makes a scrape/squealing sound that I find uncomfortable. A luxury pen on the other hand, well it just glides!
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Originally Posted by rick130
Sorry I can't remember how much travel with the shocks set on standard a D3/4 has.
But I can and have directly compared my Bilstein fitted D1 with 2" body lift and 2" suspension lift and 33" A/T's and how it drives on rough roads to the D3 and even the D2a.
The D1 does roll over some smaller stuff at slower speeds very easy compared to the standard D2a and even better in some cases than the D3, but for ride, handling and control there is little comparision the D3 wins hands down especially as speed picks up.
And having compared my D1 to a few other D1's it handles very well considering the mods it has.
I'm not comparing cabin noise or driver seat comfort in this either, as the D2a HSE has the most comfortable seats by far and makes the D3's seats feel like rubbish.
The air suspenion on the D3 is far superior to any coil sprung suspended 4x4 I have driven by far, including late model Patrols and 100 and 200 series Cruisers.
The only 4x4 I have driven that gives you a similar feeling of security in its handling is the new Jeep Grand Cherokee that has a similar gas (in the Jeeps case nitrogen) suspension to the D3/4. Actually having driven several of the new Jeeps I would have to say as a daily driver the new Jeep is actually a nicer drive then either the D3 or D4 I'm sorry to say. ...:(
cheers,
Terry
That's gotta be the last straw, first you disrespect grand-daddy defender and then you admit to hanky-panky with a jeep! Moderators, ban this man! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by TerryO