Thread: RIP Defender....

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

jeez guys, I thought we were talking Land Rover here.....why does it always swing to Toyota bashing?

Sorry but where was the Toyota bashing.

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

jeez guys, I thought we were talking Land Rover here.....why does it always swing to Toyota bashing?

No Toyota bashing on my part, all I've said is that they have very cleverly found a niche market for themselves. Can't comment on the product itself as I've never owned one.

However, Toyota owner attitudes......

I don't know how it is in Australia but in GB the Defender has the smallest depreciation of any vehicle.
If used Landies fetch such a high price the overall demand must be still very high.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Honestly people... Move on!

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The Defender has had it's run.

Discovery etc will go all the same places, just as Prado, Land Cruiser and Patrol have for years...

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Would I take my D4 everywhere I took the Defender? Absolutely...

Can it go there? Absolutely.. In fact at times it's done tracks I've driven before easier (and a damn measure more comfort)

Surely "where I can take the vehicle" is not the only measure of a vehicle's capabilities, even if it is quite an important one. Yet it seems to be the measure that is most often discussed.

I couldn't fit my Trayon camper on your D4, so for me it is a less capable vehicle.

I often carried a tonne of firewood or a tonne of second hand sandstock bricks in my LWB Series III. I also carried a tonne of sandstone blocks, sand and soil. Your D4 would struggle with any of those, so it would have been a less capable vehicle than my Series III.

Back in the days when it was legal, I used to regularly carry 11 people in the Series III, because I had the army seats for 8 people down the sides in the back. If your D4 had existed back then, it would not have had seating for that many people, so it would have been a less capable vehicle.

There are other things that make a vehicle useful apart from being able to go places where other vehicles struggle.

+1 on capability being a function of mostly what you need it for, and only some of what you want it for...

I reckon it is a huge stretch to try to compare the Defender vs a D4 given the differences: especially around creature comforts, load carrying capacity and price!

PS: Yes the Defender is a dinosaur, but that's why we love it isn't it?

The down side of the D4 is the limited carrying capacity.
-and its so bloody heavy
-and it doesnt have a tray

I dont need to drive fast on bitumen - i need a tray and load capacity and something that doesnt cost a bomb so I dont care if it lies down, hits a tree or runs on a beach.

My problem is in a few years old skool vehicles WILL be outlawed

Nothing built since about 2000 has given me any inspiration. All the new dual cabs bring the suck in so many ways. Just give me a tutu and a majic wand then perhaps ill feel at home in one.

I guess until mechanical injection diesos get the axe I wil be happily happy.

S

I am still waiting to see this D3/D4/RRS that is so good offroad as all the owners claim...

All those I have seen in action first hand have been a disappointment.

(but I think those holding out for a new defender are fooling themselves)

Originally Posted by isuzurover

I am still waiting to see this D3/D4/RRS that is so good offroad as all the owners claim...

All those I have seen in action first hand have been a disappointment

I'm with Ben here. The ones I've seen and wheeled with can't follow my mostly stock Defender or Jeep for that matter up anything I would consider hard.