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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    DM, I neither want to encourage stereotypes, but; I've driven professionally for over thirty years, covering more than seven million kilometres. From that time on the road I have gleaned that 75-80% of the bad driving that I've seen first hand has been displayed by sub 25 y.o.s.
    I don't want to get into a verbal/print stoush with you, but you need to shut-up and listen at times. I don't know anything about you, but from your posts I'm guessing that you're 19-21......the age of arrogence? We've all been through that period, the pinicle of knowlege. You will be amazed in ten years, at how much smarter older people will become.
    I urge you to read my latest thread.

    http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-ch...eeds-read.html
    Ian, I'm not denying either your experience behind the wheel, nor that young folks display some pretty appalling driving. Including friends of mine, people who I flat out will not be in a car with.
    I'm also aware that there are plenty of people in my life with far more experience than I, at pretty much everything.
    I can accept that and I don't need to argue that my 4 years of driving makes me god behind the wheel, because I know it's not true.
    I've read your latest thread, and that's exactly why I don't take stupid risks, because it's not just me that it effects.
    I frequently travel long distances with my girlfriend with me in the car, and I know I'd never forgive myself if something happened to her.
    I think it's unfair to write all young people (particularly males) off as being arrogant, know it all drivers, but I'm also aware that plenty of us are.
    Let's not sugarcoat it though, appalling driving isn't limited to young people, and there are plenty of older people I know who are just as bad, in that because they're older and because they've been driving for xyz years, they couldn't possibly be wrong, and some young upstart couldn't possibly know anything about driving, so it's okay to talk down to them.
    But as you say, sometimes you need to shut up and listen.
    If what you're listening to is downright dangerous and tells you not to get in a car with this person, so be it
    Cheers
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    EDIT: There's also a difference between questioning your elders and being genuinely curious about something. Simply accepting what someone says on face value and being told not to question them simply because they know better is also dangerous and a load of **** IMHO*
    *not an attack on you Ian, or anyone. Just saying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by V8Ian View Post
    We're out there 'makin' a mile', not on a Sunday drive. 480 kays is not even halfway on Sydney/Brisbane. Truckies are doing three Syd/Bris trips a week. I had a brand new Western Star that I clocked up 201,048 km in 11 months.
    You need to get out more Sam.
    Okay, I'll concede that if you do 201048km in 11 months you could have theoretically got to 7 million in about 32 years.

    And that's certainly more than I'd like to do. I just completed a 6,500km outback tour over two weeks (equivalent to 5million km over 30years) and I was ****ed after that!
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    Wink The arithmetic...

    Sam, I did 5260 km last week. Driving a MC interstate in Oz racks up huge distances and quickly. And I agree with both Ian and Muppett that there are some crazies, old and young, who shouldn't be on roads with weapons!

    What Ian is saying is don't put yourself in a position where you could contribute to any carnage, even if you consider yourself bulletproof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam_d View Post
    The problem with youngsters these days is that they also question their elders!
    i see questioning as a good thing. not blinding following someone and being unable to think for ones self.

    being older generally you know better, but that doesnt mean you do better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eevo View Post
    i see questioning as a good thing. not blinding following someone and being unable to think for ones self.

    being older generally you know better, but that doesnt mean you do better.
    I think you'll find Sam was being facetious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killer View Post
    Sam,
    You may have missed the fact that Ian said he was a professional driver, I don't think those figures are unreasonable for a truck driver, I would think that most interstate drivers would cover at least a thousand km each day they drive.

    Cheers, Mick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco Muppet View Post
    Not to encourage stereotypes but the holier than thou attitudes of some of the older drivers I know is atrocious.
    Like the driving tester who tried to fail me for double shuffling in a S2 during the test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disco2hse View Post
    I think you'll find Sam was being facetious.
    i know he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco Muppet View Post
    Ian, I'm not denying either your experience behind the wheel, nor that young folks display some pretty appalling driving. Including friends of mine, people who I flat out will not be in a car with.
    I'm also aware that there are plenty of people in my life with far more experience than I, at pretty much everything.
    I can accept that and I don't need to argue that my 4 years of driving makes me god behind the wheel, because I know it's not true.
    I've read your latest thread, and that's exactly why I don't take stupid risks, because it's not just me that it effects.
    I frequently travel long distances with my girlfriend with me in the car, and I know I'd never forgive myself if something happened to her.
    I think it's unfair to write all young people (particularly males) off as being arrogant, know it all drivers, but I'm also aware that plenty of us are.
    Let's not sugarcoat it though, appalling driving isn't limited to young people, and there are plenty of older people I know who are just as bad, in that because they're older and because they've been driving for xyz years, they couldn't possibly be wrong, and some young upstart couldn't possibly know anything about driving, so it's okay to talk down to them.
    But as you say, sometimes you need to shut up and listen.
    If what you're listening to is downright dangerous and tells you not to get in a car with this person, so be it
    Cheers
    Muppet

    EDIT: There's also a difference between questioning your elders and being genuinely curious about something. Simply accepting what someone says on face value and being told not to question them simply because they know better is also dangerous and a load of **** IMHO*
    *not an attack on you Ian, or anyone. Just saying...
    Not to take anything away from people here, but generally speaking in three years of teaching driving I learned that many of the experienced drivers who have driven for "x" number of years and "never had an accident" were simply lucky people. Some I know are very, very close to having an accident and don't realise that it's only a matter of time.

    I've concluded that regardless of experience what matters is whether over all those years a person has actually known what they were doing. So this being a small town, now I just keep watching to see . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by clubagreenie View Post
    Like the driving tester who tried to fail me for double shuffling in a S2 during the test.
    At any given point in time, somewhere in the world someone is working on a Land-Rover.

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