130km/h speed limits

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Originally Posted by Chops

Its cool dude,,, I come from Walla Walla, (about 30K just out of Albury), and just down the Rd from Wagga Wagga.

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just making sure we're on the same page/map :)

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Originally Posted by Eevo

none of what you said changed the fact that people want it.
im not doubting australia (like every country) has a lot of idiot voters out there, but its still their choice.

legislating against stupidity doesn't work and changes us into a nanny state.

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Your right, people do want it, but if you could go through all that participated, it'd be interesting to find out "who" actually wants it. As in what type of people they are, young, old, hoons, kids. And I just bet, not one of those people has really thought about the consequences'.
Leaving the state speeds where they are, wont "make" us a nanny state.
Lots of people want to go fast,, but very few can handle it.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

none of what you said changed the fact that people want it.
im not doubting australia (like every country) has a lot of idiot voters out there, but its still their choice.

legislating against stupidity doesn't work and changes us into a nanny state.

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People also want euthanasia and the abolishion of taxes, doesn't mean it's going to happen or should happen.

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Originally Posted by Chops

Your right, people do want it, but if you could go through all that participated, it'd be interesting to find out "who" actually wants it. As in what type of people they are, young, old, hoons, kids. And I just bet, not one of those people has really thought about the consequences'.
Leaving the state speeds where they are, wont "make" us a nanny state.
Lots of people want to go fast,, but very few can handle it.

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i dont have that kind of data. not that i think it should matter. be discriminatory.

out of 400,000 people not 1 didnt think. thats very long odds.

i think we're already a nanny state, but thats a whole topic in itself.

depends how you define "fast".
compared to me running, 25 is fast
compared to me riding a push bike, 60 is fast
compared to me throwing a tennis ball, 120 is normal (i can throw at 120)
compared to me playing badminton, 200 is slow (badminton shots are 260+)

the govt has brainwashed us for revenue raising purposes that anything above the posted speed limit is "fast" and life threatening.

doing 65 in a 60 zone is fast
doing 120 on the SA side of the stuart highway is fast
doing 120 on the NT side of the stuart highway is slow.

we have become so focused on speed, that we largely ignore the majority causes of crashes/deaths on our roads.

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

People also want euthanasia and the abolishion of taxes, doesn't mean it's going to happen or should happen.

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euthanasia should be voluntary from my moral point of view.
lots of pro's, not many cons. people should have the choice.
if it was legal, people can choose to keep living under pain or to end it.
same with speed limits, people can choose to do 130, or they can choose to go slower (and stick to the left lane)

no taxes? hmm... :)

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

People also want euthanasia and the abolishion of taxes, doesn't mean it's going to happen or should happen.

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Indeed!

What is also to be noted is that when people don't get what they want it is because the state in nannying them. However, when nanny doesn't look after them in terms of providing free health care, welfare and keeping those horrid, naughty boat people away, the state isn't doing enough.

Anyway, let's not drift off topic. :)

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Originally Posted by Eevo

i dont have that kind of data. not that i think it should matter. be discriminatory.

out of 400,000 people not 1 didnt think. thats very long odds.

i think we're already a nanny state, but thats a whole topic in itself.

depends how you define "fast".
compared to me running, 25 is fast
compared to me riding a push bike, 60 is fast
compared to me throwing a tennis ball, 120 is normal (i can throw at 120)
compared to me playing badminton, 200 is slow (badminton shots are 260+)

the govt has brainwashed us for revenue raising purposes that anything above the posted speed limit is "fast" and life threatening.

doing 65 in a 60 zone is fast
doing 120 on the SA side of the stuart highway is fast
doing 120 on the NT side of the stuart highway is slow.

we have become so focused on speed, that we largely ignore the majority causes of crashes/deaths on our roads.

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I don't disagree with this, however, until the majority of people know how to drive, upping the speed limit will only make matters worse IMHO

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Originally Posted by Eevo

euthanasia should be voluntary from my moral point of view.
lots of pro's, not many cons. people should have the choice.
if it was legal, people can choose to keep living under pain or to end it.
same with speed limits, people can choose to do 130, or they can choose to go slower (and stick to the left lane)

no taxes? hmm... :)

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As above,, if people knew how to drive, it could work. But then there's still other factors that will be detrimental to raising speeds. Car/truck road worthiness at least here in Vic would be a major concern. NSW at least do it every year, thus I believe there's a higher percentage of RW cars there. Every time I pull up at lights here, I'm amazed at how many people run with near bald tyres. That alone would worry the heck out me when speeds involved.

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Originally Posted by Chops

I don't disagree with this, however, until the majority of people know how to drive, upping the speed limit will only make matters worse IMHO



As above,, if people knew how to drive, it could work. But then there's still other factors that will be detrimental to raising speeds. Car/truck road worthiness at least here in Vic would be a major concern. NSW at least do it every year, thus I believe there's a higher percentage of RW cars there. Every time I pull up at lights here, I'm amazed at how many people run with near bald tyres. That alone would worry the heck out me when speeds involved.

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we both agree on principle that drivers need better education/training.
lets hear your idea on this.

SA doesnt do any car worthiness checks.(unless you get defected)
mechanical failure is a small cause of death than speed. i think the stats for 2011 was 1 death out of 96 was mechanical failure.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

we both agree on principle that drivers need better education/training.
lets hear your idea on this.

SA doesnt do any car worthiness checks.(unless you get defected)
mechanical failure is a small cause of death than speed. i think the stats for 2011 was 1 death out of 96 was mechanical failure.

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Just because no-one died in an accident, doesn't mean the car was roadworthy to start with.

As far as education goes,,, who knows the best way to do that. We constantly see kids coming out of school with "the world owes me" attitudes, who then go out and get given a licence. So with that in mind,, hehe,, maybe we should have some kind of psych test ;) (I'm screwed) .
There's so many things/criteria that "I" would suggest, but then I'd probably be labelled as discriminant, so we're not going there. However, in order to get the job done, you need to be firm. Its just like a job interview really.
Anyhow,, I need to catch some zz's

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Originally Posted by Chops

.......Car/truck road worthiness at least here in Vic would be a major concern. NSW at least do it every year, thus I believe there's a higher percentage of RW cars there. Every time I pull up at lights here, I'm amazed at how many people run with near bald tyres. That alone would worry the heck out me when speeds involved.

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The accident statistics do not show any significant difference between states with and without annual inspections - which may simply reflect that roadworthiness of cars is a very minor risk factor (probably true) or that annual is not often enough (certainly true!).

Recently I had occasion to point out to a police constable in Dubbo NSW that both front tyres of the police car she was sitting in were legally bald! If annual inspections cannot even keep police cars legal - what hope for the rest?

John