Thread: Waking up Australia to compassion.

Originally Posted by garrycol

So are aboriginals.

I guess they were lucky in that they didn't have anyone telling them "**** off we are full"

Steve

Originally Posted by SteveFarmer

I guess they were lucky in that they didn't have anyone telling them "**** off we are full"

Steve

Well, they think Mungo man was here long before the peoples we know as Aboriginals arrived. Anyway, if you don't subscribe to that theory, I'm sure the mega fauna were telling them to **** off.

HI

On a simple practical level, leaving our humanity aside, how long can we continue to lock people up at the cost of $1.5 billion per year and rising?

Department of Immigration breaks down $1.5 billion cost of asylum detention centres - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

The numbers keep growing.

Australian immigration detention centres: every incident mapped | News | theguardian.com

I can't see the numbers slowing down in the current international climate, the next flood will probably be from Syria with a repeat of the 70's exodus from Lebanon as the Middle East spirals towards anarchy.

So are where are we going to lock all these people up?

Steve

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

I'm sure the mega fauna were telling them to **** off.

A bit of anthropomorphism perhaps

There has been some statements about 94% of so called boat refugees being confirmed refugees. Talk to some people who deal with this, this is not so much the case. The fact is in most circumstances, immigration just cannot prove they are or are not true refugees as passports and documents are disposed of after leaving Indonesia. It is rare that true refugee status can be 100% verified. It is a very murky area and anyone can embellish a story to try and get refugee status. I have to be honest I know I would lie to protect my family, however that does not make it right.
My position on this has never wavered. I am not anti immigration, but we should be taking the ones doing the right thing by applying to come to Australia or in refugee camps that do not have the ability to apply or even any knowledge of how and where to go.
The people that get on boats have money and are basically just jumping the queue and with the amount of boats coming seriously disadvantaged any one else chance of coming to Australia as a refugee. They should immediately be returned to the nearest refugee camp near to where they are from and apply the correct way.
We are just exacerbating this problem by sending the message we will accept anyone and everyone and while there are off shore processing centres, most of them still get here.

Originally Posted by SteveFarmer

HI

On a simple practical level, leaving our humanity aside, how long can we continue to lock people up at the cost of $1.5 billion per year and rising?

Department of Immigration breaks down $1.5 billion cost of asylum detention centres - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

The numbers keep growing.

Australian immigration detention centres: every incident mapped | News | theguardian.com

I can't see the numbers slowing down in the current international climate, the next flood will probably be from Syria with a repeat of the 70's exodus from Lebanon as the Middle East spirals towards anarchy.

So are where are we going to lock all these people up?

Steve

Very simple answer, dont lock them up, return them to point of origin.

Quite often their assumed point of origin won't accept them back and say they're not their nationals as their identity can't be proved as they have no papers.
Of course they haven't as they got rid of them in Indonesia for the next boat load to use.
One sure way to cut down their numbers is to restrict the amount of benefits they're automatically entitled to. Cut out the baby bonuses for a start.
I've nothing against immigrants from anywhere as I'm one myself, but us and many others went through the right channels to get here.
AlanH.

Lets face it, the people in the detention centre's dont help their own cause by destroying of damaging the accomodation and other things these centre's provide. This would be one of the main things that turn everyday Australians against their cause. We see our tax $$$ getting wasted in repair from people who want us to accept them...NOT A GOOD START....

The system isnt perfect, and sure some are held far longer than they should, BUT, if they arrived her withsome form of ID, they most likely wouldnt be in that situation for as long as they have.

Cheers Ean