Thread: Waking up Australia to compassion.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

Needles to say, for obvious reasons, there has been a fair amount of debate about this!

actually i would say there hasnt.

its politically incorrect to suggest the aboriginal people wernt the first ones here.
in fact, being politically correct, before white man came, all the aboriginals were peaceful, there was no fighting between tribes. they were all united as one.


btw, who brought the dingo to australia? cause it wasnt the original inhabitants.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

Needless to say, for obvious reasons, there has been a fair amount of debate about this!
Cheers, Pickles.

Originally Posted by Eevo

actually i would say there hasn't.

You must belong to the wrong debating group.

I have seen plenty of discussion on the subject.

Originally Posted by steane

Should be a few around by all reports.

Do you plan to sail to Mexico and pay an old guy with long hair, a cigar and an M16 to spirit you across the border, make your way up to California and work for $2 an hour picking cabbages all the while answering only to the name Pedro Marsh?

The American dream.

I'm having trouble. I keep getting outbid by the ebayer budgie_smuggler.

Originally Posted by vnx205

You must belong to the wrong debating group.

I have seen plenty of discussion on the subject.

There has been much discussion for many years. It's been much quieter in recent times as it seems to have been all discussed out. My memory of the Mungo Man discussions is what prompted me to make post #83 of this thread.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

I'm having trouble. I keep getting outbid by the ebayer budgie_smuggler.

Could be worse.
I'm trying to contact the seller Scozza-Mozza13 but he refuses to provide any info about the quantity, quality, capacity, or pick up location of any of the items.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

I'm only about a third ot the way though this thread, but I didn't know that we invaded Lebanon, Iran and Sri Lanka where a large proportion of our boat people came from.

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Just a point of order, Most of the people you mention would come under the heading of asylum seekers. Yes, a few , mostly from Sri Lanka , have been seduced by the smarties to try the back door , perhaps we should have a look at the definitions, Bob

Appendix C: Glossary

Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) and United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) definitions


Asylum seekers




People who have left their country of origin, applied for recognition as a refugee in another country, and are awaiting a decision on their application.[1] Each year people already in Australia claim asylum and make applications for protection (refugee status). These include people who arrived ‘lawfully’ with a valid visa and people who have arrived ‘unlawfully’ in Australia by sea or air without a valid visa. If asylum seekers are found to be owed protection by Australia (having met the UNHCR definition of a refugee, as defined in the 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol relating to the Status of Refugees) they will be granted a permanent Protection visa, provided they meet all health and character requirements.[2]




‘Boat people’




A term used in the media and elsewhere to describe asylum seekers who arrive by boat or attempt to arrive by boat without authority to enter Australia. DIAC uses the term ‘unauthorised boat arrivals’ or ‘unlawful boat arrivals’.[3]




Displaced people




People who flee their homes to escape conflict, violence, human rights abuses or other disasters. An Internally Displaced Person (IDP) may have been forced to flee their home for the same reasons as a refugee, but has not crossed an internationally recognised border. Many IDPs are in refugee-like situations and face the same problems as refugees.[4]




Excised offshore entry




In 2001 the Government introduced legislation which excluded some of Australia’s territory from the migration zone. These measures prohibit people who arrive at excised places from making a valid visa application. These excised offshore places include the Ashmore and Cartier Islands, Christmas Island and Cocos (Keeling) Islands. However, the Minister for Immigration and Citizenship has a discretionary power to allow a valid application to be made by a person who arrives on an excised offshore place.[5]




Humanitarian program




Australia's Immigration Program has two streams; the Migration Program for skilled and family migrants and the Humanitarian Program for refugees. The Humanitarian Program grants both offshore and onshore places to those deemed to be in need of protection.[6]




Offshore resettlement




Australia’s Humanitarian Program grants offshore protection visas for the resettlement of people in humanitarian need for whom other durable solutions cannot be found.The offshore resettlement component comprises two categories of permanent visa; Refugee (which includes the Refugee, In–country Special Humanitarian, Emergency Rescue and Woman at Risk sub–classes); and Special Humanitarian Program (SHP)for people outside their home country who are subject to substantial discrimination amounting to gross violation of human rights in their home country. A proposer who is an Australian citizen, permanent resident or eligible New Zealand citizen, or an organisation that is based in Australia, must support applications for entry under the SHP. [7]




Onshore protection




Australia’s Humanitarian Program also includes an onshore component for those people already in Australia seeking Australia's protection.[8]




Refugees




The 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees defines a refugee as a person who:
…owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable, or owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.
This is the definition used by Australia when assessing claims for protection. The majority of applicants who are considered for resettlement in Australia as refugees are identified and referred to Australia by the UNHCR.[9]




Unauthorised arrivals




Any person arriving or attempting to arrive without authorisation or a valid visa.




Unlawful non-citizen




An unlawful non-citizen is a national from another country who does not have the right to be in Australia; that is they do not hold a valid visa. The majority of unlawful non-citizens in Australia at any given time have either overstayed the visa issued to them or are people who have had their visa cancelled. Some unlawful non-citizens will have entered Australia without a visa.[10]

Originally Posted by bob10

Just a point of order, Most of the people you mention would come under the heading of asylum seekers. Yes, a few , mostly from Sri Lanka , have been seduced by the smarties to try the back door , perhaps we should have a look at the definitions, Bob

Sort of like their own Colombo Plan

Originally Posted by bobslandies

Sort of like their own Colombo Plan

Oh how I wish I had said that! Bob