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I still don't see how it will be of benefit to scotland to split from the uk.Apart from a lot of nationalism.Like a lot of aussies i have some scots blood in my veins,as well as others.It will only be to their advantage if they can have their cake and eat it too.It is a serious step that needs a LOT of careful consideration.Whatever happens i wish them well.
I recall working with a Glasgow born boilermaker at ED's yard. He would almost get violent when called a pom. "Ah'm nay F++++++ pom. Ah'm a Scot and dinna ye fugit it".
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Originally Posted by bob10
On the contrary mate, I think it's you that can't. Your Pommie Passion over right to be.
You deny Scots have been treated like and Underclass?
You think because of the complications, they should just continue to take it in the neck for Britain? Really?
I haven't actually stated which way I'd vote, have I? However, that is not important.
I just said that it's their right and they shouldn't get friggin bullied for wanting to exercise that right .... not hard really.
So yes there are huge concerns about the outcome but getting constantly F'd over for a country that has a right to independence makes it a very, very difficult situation. The concept isn't that hard.
Fact - Scotland Produces a disproportionate amount of wealth for the UK .... and could produce more if opportunities weren't stymied .. But the wealth shouldn't matter should it?
Fact - there is no commensurate return in any way to Scotland.
Fact - in modern times ... not ancient or people living in the past - Scottish people of all demographics are clearly stating that they have had enough. Why is that do you think? 50 years ago the idea would have been held by only a few ... but it's causing such a commotion now ...why is that? People from all demographics from the unemployed to the very rich professionals .... something has changed .... why? Cause they watched Braveheart?
Geez, Australians would rightly get the poops if their State didn't reap the benefits of their industry, etc.
This is so similar in some ways and yet, so, so different in others.
It won't happen Bob, but it should serve as a friggin massive wake up call for tools in power thinking that they can just take everything for granted. Shame a lot more folk on the other side of the fence don't see it that way.
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Originally Posted by JDNSW
I very much doubt that.
There would be no monarchy, alliance to or connections beyond the Scottish border.
That's what started all the crap in the first place ;-)
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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
What, another history lesson? Surely not.
I know, the Vikings were in Britain for hundreds of years ... and left their ... mmm ... mark ... I was trying to keep it light!
Meh ....
Actually, my sentiment is I'm tired of the whole discussion. If the Scots vote yes, good luck to them. They'll need it, for a whole pile of reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtoid
If they vote no, then it's devo-max, but that will need an English vote. That will be even less pretty, but hey... I'm Australian, so what is it to me?
The Tory issue with the vote is that they a Conservative, i.e. they don't want things to change. They like the union, but it is of no practical consequence to them if it ends, except for the higher likelihood they will be in power a bit more often.
Ending the union feels wrong, to them anyway, so they resist.
How long did you live in Scotland? I assume you're not still there...Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtoid
Quite the oposite in fact. The majority of learned opinion speaks of the asymmetry in their relative bargaining positions. After all, Scotland has 5 million people, England about 53 million. England has more of almost everything in terms of economic activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
Mostly the cash went to the welfare state and to pay off the national debt that has been hanging around since WW2 and beyond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm
You have to add eastern England to the mix. I lived for a while in the Danelaw, except is wasn't called that by then of course. But lots of place names retain their Nordic roots, for example.
That's why we shouldn't be too upset about William the Bastard, despite his invasion in 1066 and the wasting of the North. At least he wasn't French, he was also Norse. Your lot got everywhere...
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Originally Posted by Celtoid
WOW! Passion before common sense, I appreciate your passion for Scotland . A heads up. I was born here, in Brisbane , my grandmother was part aboriginal, great grand mother full blood, on my fathers side. On my mothers side, English, & Irish. One Scotsman married an aboriginal, on my fathers side. Makes me pretty mixed up eh? I will not mention the Kiwi who snuck under the radar. Don't you dare call me a pom. . Bob edit, took out an a word not needed.