Thread: Suitable Touring Vehicle - Toyota 100's Factory TD Wgn vs LR Defender Wgn?

Originally Posted by Robmacca

One possible scenario is that the missus can keep her Prado for daily running around and I'll get a suitable Tourer that we can use for touring and I can also use as a daily runner.... When I did see the new Defender and what it was like inside, it got me thinking.....Plenty of room for all the family and Camping Gear w/o having to resort to towing a trailer; Looks like it would be quite comfortable to ride in; 4cyl Rego; Good fuel economy; would require less mods to make it a suitable "long distance tourer", etc.....

I'm unsure as to whether the TD5 Defenders have a similar interiors or not to the newer Pumas ?? I'm assuming not ?? Is there provision to install a AUX FUEL Filter at all in these Defenders?

Whatever I end up getting, it has to be reasonably comfortable to ride in so the Family doesn't start to hate outback touring.....

Td5 has a different interior, the Pumas aircon actually works for starters.
The Td5 is a 5 Cyl so no 4 Cyl rego (hint.. Td5).
5 speed in the Td5 as opposed to the 6 speed in the Puma.
If I were taking a family of 5 I'd go a Puma. I prefer the Td5 but I don't want to listen to my family bitch the whole trip

Originally Posted by Robmacca

I'll leave out the D3/D4's at this stage as I can't see them being suitable for a family of 5 along with all the gear, ..

I've just moved from an 80 series cruiser to a D3, and I've got 4 kids. So either way I will have at least one 3rd row seat up when touring regardless of what vehicle I drive. Anyway, with the 3rd row not in use I can't really see much difference in cargo space between the two

Any vehicle can have an Aux fuel filter put on it. Mine will have a second hand unit from a D2 TD5 which as I understand also has a water alarm with it as well.
The only factor is to have I think, a 10micron filter which is slightly larger than the factory fitted 2 or 5 micron (?). This is to ensure the pump is not being over worked.

Hi folks

Just spotted this thread, and just to add some personal experience: I live and work in remote in Northern Australia and bought a new 100 series Tojo in 2004 and a new Land Rover Puma 110 HCPU in 2012.

I accept the 100 series is renown as a highly reliable vehicle but the one I was delivered turned out to be an absolute lemon, compounded with dreadful aftersales service and warranty support (the Mount Isa Tojo Dealer). I ended up selling it within 18 months at a significant loss.

By contrast the TDCI Land Rover has been awesome from new, and Land Rover after sales has been terrific (even in the Top End!)

Considering how the two cars drive from new, I'd say the new Land Rover has it hands down over the new 100 series off road, especially in the wet. In fact I've yet to see another 4WD match the Puma on the tracks during the monsoon. Of course as said before, the 100 series was much more comfortable for long drives and mine had a dual tanks which was a bonus...

How reliable a used Tojo lump with >100k already on the clock compared a brand new Ford 2.2? Sure Tojo's are pretty reliable units but they are not invulnerable to the effects of aging and abuse, and I reckon the new Ford engines are proving pretty damn reliable...

For touring don't forget the Tojo GVM -five adults, plus full fuel and kit is gonna have you damn close to GVM and all the stress on the vehicle that that implies.

I love Toyota (I still run an unreabreakable old 76 ute to haul my fire unit), and I love Land Rover too, but have to say the TDCI is the most capable vehicle I have ever owned from new. I personally would not hesitate to buy one over a 100 series or even a 79 series Tojo.

Cheers

Alan

Thanks Alan, good to hear about 1st hand experiences......

Originally Posted by NT5224

Hi folks

Just spotted this thread, and just to add some personal experience: I live and work in remote in Northern Australia and bought a new 100 series Tojo in 2004 and a new Land Rover Puma 110 HCPU in 2012.

I accept the 100 series is renown as a highly reliable vehicle but the one I was delivered turned out to be an absolute lemon, compounded with dreadful aftersales service and warranty support (the Mount Isa Tojo Dealer). I ended up selling it within 18 months at a significant loss.

By contrast the TDCI Land Rover has been awesome from new, and Land Rover after sales has been terrific (even in the Top End!)

Considering how the two cars drive from new, I'd say the new Land Rover has it hands down over the new 100 series off road, especially in the wet. In fact I've yet to see another 4WD match the Puma on the tracks during the monsoon. Of course as said before, the 100 series was much more comfortable for long drives and mine had a dual tanks which was a bonus...

How reliable a used Tojo lump with >100k already on the clock compared a brand new Ford 2.2? Sure Tojo's are pretty reliable units but they are not invulnerable to the effects of aging and abuse, and I reckon the new Ford engines are proving pretty damn reliable...

For touring don't forget the Tojo GVM -five adults, plus full fuel and kit is gonna have you damn close to GVM and all the stress on the vehicle that that implies.

I love Toyota (I still run an unreabreakable old 76 ute to haul my fire unit), and I love Land Rover too, but have to say the TDCI is the most capable vehicle I have ever owned from new. I personally would not hesitate to buy one over a 100 series or even a 79 series Tojo.

Cheers

Alan

Hey Chops thanks for your comment, but I am curious about your 10micron comment and not wanting to stress the pump....

I had this same comments from over on the Toyota forum when I installed a 2micron Racor Aux Fuel Filter on our Prado.... The comment was the same thing.
To my knowledge, it's the "Flow Rate" that needs to be considered more. As long as your Aux Filter has a suitable Flow Rate, then it will not put any extra pressure on your Pump. I've had one on the missus Prado for the past 100k kms and have never had a problem, especially with Toyota's poor servicing schedule of the under bonnet Fuel Filter - They simply don't change it until the light/alarm comes on..... bad idea IMO. Every time I've change my Aux Filter, it's been black and dirty inside......

Originally Posted by Chops

Any vehicle can have an Aux fuel filter put on it. Mine will have a second hand unit from a D2 TD5 which as I understand also has a water alarm with it as well.
The only factor is to have I think, a 10micron filter which is slightly larger than the factory fitted 2 or 5 micron (?). This is to ensure the pump is not being over worked.

Morning Robmacca, (Rob?),

It's been said to me by a couple of mechanics that because the Puma pump "sucks" as opposed to pushing the fuel up, there's the possibility that it would wear faster. Have had others say it doesn't matter, as the pump itself is a very good unit, and this statement in particular came from the guy who tested my original pump,which I now have at home along with the old injectors, so my theory is, he probably knows best. When he tested my pump for LR at the RACV's demand, he said it passed with flying colours, but LR swapped it out anyway.
But, the reason for the second pump is purely to remove water and the "larger" contaminants, so my thinking is, why risk it, even though I have a spare,,,, I really don't need the hassle or expense of fitting it up.

Hope this helps. I do love my car, have wanted one ever since I had my old S111 25+ years ago, and she has not disappointed me in any way. I've had three Tojo's, one being a brand new 75 series ute, and even with my dramas, you still can't wipe the smile off my face when I'm behind the wheel.

There may be a lot of Tojo's around, but check out how many Transit vans are out there, and these are being used as delivery vans by guys who don't service them right, treat them like race cars and generally abuse the crap out of them.
Speaks volumes for the toughness of the 2,4 motor really.

I use a Mr Filter Funnel when filling in the bush,even at servo's,about $50 posted,easy,too many people make mountains out of mole hills. Pat