Thread: Suitable Touring Vehicle - Toyota 100's Factory TD Wgn vs LR Defender Wgn?

Is this what happens when u don't reinforce the front suspension lower arms on a 100's

Costly exercise for this chap.....

Thats what the $6,000 tries to avoid. Pat

Guys....

Just playing around with some fuel figures here when remote touring in desert areas, etc... (remember, I'm just playing with figures here )

100's Fuel Tank Capacity: 255ltrs (Aftermaket LR Tank fitted)

100's Fuel Economy @
20ltrs/100kms = Fuel Range = 5kms/ltr x 220ltrs (leaves 35ltrs in reserve) = 1100kms
19ltrs/100kms = Fuel Range = 5.26kms/ltr x 220ltrs (leaves 35ltrs in reserve) = 1157kms
18ltrs/100kms = Fuel Range = 5.55kms/ltr x 220ltrs (leaves 35ltrs in reserve) = 1222kms
17ltrs/100kms = Fuel Range = 5.88kms/ltr x 220ltrs (leaves 35ltrs in reserve) = 1293kms
16ltrs/100kms = Fuel Range = 6.25kms/ltr x 220ltrs (leaves 35ltrs in reserve) = 1375kms

Now obviously the LR's will get better economy than the 100s, but what I am interested in is how much Fuel a LR will require to carry to cover the SAME distances.....

If the LR's got the following economy (I'm guessing here) over the same terrain & distance then:

@ 11ltrs/100kms = 9kms/ltr (I'll just list the fuel req'd between the best and worst distances listed above):
For 1375kms travelled = 153ltrs req'd (+ reserve)
For 1100kms travelled = 122ltrs req'd (+ reserve)

@ 12ltrs/100kms = 8.3kms/ltr (I'll just list the fuel req'd between the best and worst distances listed above):
For 1375kms travelled = 165ltrs req'd (+ reserve)
For 1100kms travelled = 132ltrs req'd (+ reserve)

@ 13ltrs/100kms = 7.7kms/ltr (I'll just list the fuel req'd between the best and worst distances listed above):
For 1375kms travelled = 178ltrs req'd (+ reserve)
For 1100kms travelled = 142ltrs req'd (+ reserve)

@ 14ltrs/100kms = 7.1kms/ltr (I'll just list the fuel req'd between the best and worst distances listed above):
For 1375kms travelled = 193ltrs req'd (+ reserve)
For 1100kms travelled = 155ltrs req'd (+ reserve)


So, looking on some of the websites that supply LR tanks, it looks like a bit of a variety depending on year/model, etc but on average is looks like the main tank can be replaced with a 120ltr, then a couple of Sill Aux tanks that vary in size from 35>80ltrs or there abouts. To add these AUX tanks to a Defender, I'm assuming a fair bit of $$ would be req'd ??


So, for those u that have Defender and do remote touring, etc, what sort of economy do u guys get and how much fuel do u carry to cover distances of 1000kms or more....?

If u don't have the fuel carrying capacity underneath the vehicle, then where do u carry it ?

Originally Posted by Robmacca

Guys....

Just playing around with some fuel figures here when remote touring in desert areas, etc... (remember, I'm just playing with figures here )

100's Fuel Tank Capacity: 255ltrs (Aftermaket LR Tank fitted)

100's Fuel Economy @
20ltrs/100kms = Fuel Range = 5kms/ltr x 220ltrs (leaves 35ltrs in reserve) = 1100kms
19ltrs/100kms = Fuel Range = 5.26kms/ltr x 220ltrs (leaves 35ltrs in reserve) = 1157kms
18ltrs/100kms = Fuel Range = 5.55kms/ltr x 220ltrs (leaves 35ltrs in reserve) = 1222kms
17ltrs/100kms = Fuel Range = 5.88kms/ltr x 220ltrs (leaves 35ltrs in reserve) = 1293kms
16ltrs/100kms = Fuel Range = 6.25kms/ltr x 220ltrs (leaves 35ltrs in reserve) = 1375kms

Now obviously the LR's will get better economy than the 100s, but what I am interested in is how much Fuel a LR will require to carry to cover the SAME distances.....

If the LR's got the following economy (I'm guessing here) over the same terrain & distance then:

@ 11ltrs/100kms = 9kms/ltr (I'll just list the fuel req'd between the best and worst distances listed above):
For 1375kms travelled = 153ltrs req'd (+ reserve)
For 1100kms travelled = 122ltrs req'd (+ reserve)

@ 12ltrs/100kms = 8.3kms/ltr (I'll just list the fuel req'd between the best and worst distances listed above):
For 1375kms travelled = 165ltrs req'd (+ reserve)
For 1100kms travelled = 132ltrs req'd (+ reserve)

@ 13ltrs/100kms = 7.7kms/ltr (I'll just list the fuel req'd between the best and worst distances listed above):
For 1375kms travelled = 178ltrs req'd (+ reserve)
For 1100kms travelled = 142ltrs req'd (+ reserve)

@ 14ltrs/100kms = 7.1kms/ltr (I'll just list the fuel req'd between the best and worst distances listed above):
For 1375kms travelled = 193ltrs req'd (+ reserve)
For 1100kms travelled = 155ltrs req'd (+ reserve)


So, looking on some of the websites that supply LR tanks, it looks like a bit of a variety depending on year/model, etc but on average is looks like the main tank can be replaced with a 120ltr, then a couple of Sill Aux tanks that vary in size from 35>80ltrs or there abouts. To add these AUX tanks to a Defender, I'm assuming a fair bit of $$ would be req'd ??


So, for those u that have Defender and do remote touring, etc, what sort of economy do u guys get and how much fuel do u carry to cover distances of 1000kms or more....?

If u don't have the fuel carrying capacity underneath the vehicle, then where do u carry it ?

I can garrantee you that if you are touring in a TD5, 2.4l TDCi or 2.2l TDCi Defender 110, and not towing, 11l to low 12l per 100ks will be your fuel economy, I'm basing this on my experience with my TD5 D2, we did the Cape in 09, on the trip were 2 D2s and a Puma Defender, all of us towing a camper, 14l/100ks was the worst all 3 of us had, our best economy for that trip, was 12l/100k.

Now our D4 is a bit different, we average about 1 to 2Litres/100s more than we did towing in the D2, the best economy we ever got from the D4 towing was 14.5l/100ks, we never did a non towing tour in our D2, so I have no record of the economy, but to and from work was mid 10s/100k, the D4 is mid 11s to 12l/100k to and from work, best we have gotten from the D4, 10.3L/100ks, Helensburgh to Glouchester and back, we average on our fully loaded trips around mid 11s to 12s/100ks to places like the high country.

Anyway, basing your criteria on economy, room and offroad performance, the Defender wins hands down, comfort is not the Defenders forte, but that can be different for different people, some on here find the Defender really comfortable, others don't, me personally, I think the Defender is fine once you get used to it, I drove one to work and back for a few days and loved it.

I reckon just putting a 130lt LR Tank will do.

Baz.

Originally Posted by PAT303

I use a Mr Filter Funnel when filling in the bush,even at servo's,about $50 posted,easy,too many people make mountains out of mole hills. Pat

Wicked idea Pat. Waaaay easier than installing an extra in line filter.

The fuel figures posted is interesting, but I must ask how many kms do you need to be able to cover for your planned trips ?


We did the canning stock route in a D2 that carried 150ltrs, but we had fuel at the fuel dump bit less than half way along,( think its 1700ks long from memory ), but fuel was also available at the community at well 33, so I guess the real range that was needed was closer to 700ks max.


I guess if you were doing the Anne Beadell hwy then sure those ranges you speak of may be a necessity but from my expierence sooner or later you need fuel. Generally I have found when travelling remote if the oppertunity of fuel comes up you buy some anyway, even if its only 20ltrs.


Our D3 carries 190 ltrs , and I can drive a very comfortable 1700kms without thinking of fuel, but the reality is we normally stop way before then and top up.


Cheers Ean

I see your point and agree aswell, but sometimes it's nice to have the option &/or the ability to drive past through those more expensive places that sell fuel instead of having to fill up..... I also realise that this is sometime u need to factor into your planning / costs, but still, having the ability to drive past a place that is selling diesel for $3.20/ltr is quite nice......

Originally Posted by Ean Austral

The fuel figures posted is interesting, but I must ask how many kms do you need to be able to cover for your planned trips ?


We did the canning stock route in a D2 that carried 150ltrs, but we had fuel at the fuel dump bit less than half way along,( think its 1700ks long from memory ), but fuel was also available at the community at well 33, so I guess the real range that was needed was closer to 700ks max.


I guess if you were doing the Anne Beadell hwy then sure those ranges you speak of may be a necessity but from my expierence sooner or later you need fuel. Generally I have found when travelling remote if the oppertunity of fuel comes up you buy some anyway, even if its only 20ltrs.


Our D3 carries 190 ltrs , and I can drive a very comfortable 1700kms without thinking of fuel, but the reality is we normally stop way before then and top up.


Cheers Ean

As a point of interest Rob, how often do you plan on these long outback excursions?
We are planning plenty of trips outback, and hope to be able to stay out there working if we can organise it.
For this, I'm planning on an extra tank,,, size yet to be determined, but if it wasn't for the fact we know we're going to be out there a fair bit, a couple of Jerry Cans would do just fine.
Our stock as a rock Puma has a workable range of around 550k's a tank, which leaves I believe about 80-90k's in the tank.

I guess being able to bypass expensive fuel is a bonus, but really, when's alls said and done, if your worried that much about the cost of a tank of juice or two, perhaps you shouldn't be out there. If anything major should break, your going to be up for a whole lot more than the fuel cost, and that's just to get you to civilization.