I have seen this occur when Council ride on mowers cut grass and smash glass, and leave the mess behind. Sure it occurs deliberately too, not the mower people, the general public smashing glass.Originally Posted by disco man
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I'm picky about where I ride. I'm quite attached to breathing and having all of my limbs working. It doesn't sound like the type of road I would ride on.
YarnMaster
I have seen this occur when Council ride on mowers cut grass and smash glass, and leave the mess behind. Sure it occurs deliberately too, not the mower people, the general public smashing glass.
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And in Adelaide at least, the state's motoring association reports cycling is a faster way of getting to work than driving...
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The RAA now is encouraging motorists to consider cycling as an alternative based on the results of its first travel time survey to include different methods of transport to cars.
RAA spokesman Charles Mountain said more money should be invested in cycling infrastructure to encourage people to use bikes as an alternative to cars for moving around town.
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Now we have cyclists complaining about horse drawn carriage operators.
Horse-drawn carriage vs Melbourne cyclist incident 'evidence of a growing problem' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
If you watch the video at about 55 seconds the cyclist complains to the carriage driver to keep out of the bike lane when the carriage is on the roadway and it is actually buses standing on the bike lane. Everything deteriorates from there.
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Master
The best bit is where the carriage driver tries to run the cyclist down with the horses and carriage. Gives it a real Wild West flavour. Usually it's just someone towing a big trailer into the bike lane, or throwing a bottle at your head. Nice to see a bit of variety.
YarnMaster
IS there an anachronistic (!) rule giving horses right of way, like sailing boats (Unless your a Ferry etc)
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Good to see the Victorian Police are treating the incident in the manner it deserves.
What a tosser. Wasting other peoples time.A spokesperson for Victoria Police said the video had been reviewed and police will not be taking further action.
Master
SupporterWhile it is clear at the 55 second mark that the horse and carriage are not in the bike lane, you can see earlier in the video that the horse and carriage are using the bike lane further ahead of the cyclist.
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You're obviously comfortable with the idea that the horse driver gets away with running red lights. But not cyclists, oh nooo, can't have that.
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SupporterAfter reading the caption under the image at the top, I looked at the video but didn't see the bit where the carriage driver used his carriage as a weapon against the cyclist.
I thought I might have blinked and missed that bit so I watched it again several times but still wasn't able to see a bit where the carriage driver had deliberately used his carriage in a manner intended to injure or kill the cyclist.
The closest I saw to that was the bit just before the cyclist exclaimed, "Oh my God, did you see that."
What I saw was a horse drawn carriage giving the vehicles on the right a wide berth so that the cyclist had a bit less room than usual, but still sufficient room to proceed safely.
My understanding is that these carriages are generally carrying tourists on a jaunt around the city and I wouldn't have thought it unusual for the carriage drivers to make use of whatever space was available to avoid having their passengers spend longer than necessary stopped behind cars.
It isn't unusual for cyclists to expect motorists to cut them a bit of slack and to be a bit tolerant of the minor inconvenience that they sometimes cause. Why did that cyclist not consider cutting the carriage driver a bit of slack?
A lot of us understand that semi trailers and larger vehicles should be given a bit of consideration because being forced to slow down, stop or brake hard to avoid running up the back of someone is a bigger inconvenience for them than it is for drivers of small sedans. Horse drawn carriages have their own issues and need a little tolerance on the part of other road users.
I would have thought that all other road users would do their bit to help the horse drawn carriages keep moving along at their leisurely pace so that the tourists on board had a more enjoyable experience. They are an important tourist attraction after all. That cyclist appears not to subscribe to that theory.
All I saw was a carriage driver trying to keep moving through the chicane created by vehicles on his right and left, and a cyclist who was not prepared to be just little bit understanding of other road users. He sounded like someone who expected consideration, but was not prepared to show consideration to others.
Or maybe the camera angle didn't give me a clear view of just how close the horses or carriage came to killing the cyclist.
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