Cyclists.

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Originally Posted by bee utey

Impatience, lad, will cost you dearly one day. Drive to stay alive, not to beat the clock.

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i do drive to stay alive.
i also drive with the expectation to get somewhere in a reasonable amount of time.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

most speeding infringements are minor infractions that dont cause an accident.

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Yes, and what part of 'revenue raising' don't you understand. Camera speeding fines are easy money for the police, little effort involved. It makes them look busy while their real job is to protect moneyed interests.

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i also drive with the expectation to get somewhere in a reasonable amount of time.

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For a given value of 'reasonable' which varies from person to person. Seconds of delay don't add up to much.

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Originally Posted by bee utey

Seconds of delay don't add up to much.

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Unforunately *some* people think being delayed for a few seconds justifies dangerous and sometimes criminal behaviour.

God forbid should one have to wait 20 seconds to pass a bike safely on their way to the Maccas drive thru where they're prepared to wait for half an hour.... ;)

It's a 2 way street, unfortunately some cyclist think they have the right to obstruct traffic which in turn ****es off the motorist with a '**** you' mentality to boot. Have plenty of them in Ballarat as well, you can spot them at the cafes in town in there horrid green lycra outfits!!!


I don't mind slowing down for cyclist and give them some space, don't mind trying to do the right thing but what really annoys me is that they blatantly won't move over so I can pass them safely. This in turn gets me frustrated along with several cars behind me, I then have to cross the line onto the wrong side so I can get past. Like I said, it's a 2 way street, I now get paranoid about the bastard when I see them as they're as unpredictable as Victorian weather!!!


We have cyclist up here in Snake Valley riding through the town quite often, being a quiet town you can make a wide berth so no issues.


Trav

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Originally Posted by bee utey

You could spend your entire life speculating based on little else than a single snap shot taken out of context and viewed through a film of prejudice. Perhaps Mick could post up the entire piece of video and show us what exactly happened, eh? Truth is, no-one got hurt here and all it is about is a venting of spleens. Let's let it go, like grown ups? :angel:

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I can do that :D when I want. Remember there's no prejudice on my part, I've mentioned often that I cycle responsibly often with my children. I particularly like the cycle paths as there is no car interaction as I don't have a lycra suit with a big S on the front :)

I also like the rule that kids 14yrs and under can ride on footpaths, adults with them can too, so I try to do this often and teach responsible use of the bell when approaching pedestrians. Many MAMILS I see don't even have a bell, which I understand is an 'offence'...

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Originally Posted by Pocket Rocket

Unforunately *some* people think being delayed for a few seconds justifies dangerous and sometimes criminal behaviour.

God forbid should one have to wait 20 seconds to pass a bike safely on their way to the Maccas drive thru where they're prepared to wait for half an hour.... ;)

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Unfortunately those 20 second delays add up, and if you pass 15-20 groups of MAMILS who enforce their right to obstruct traffic and they then cut in front at a set of lights or two, your 20 Min trip turns into 30 Min of frustration. Or your commute turns from 1 hour to 1.5hours with the last half playing dodge the self nominee for a Darwin award.
There was a song that had one line about driving really slow in the ultra fast lane that is appropriate in regards to some bike riders and traffic.
[ame]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kNneBbhVNxEAgain[/ame] I'll say, I've seen bad drivers, but none I've seen have gone out to deliberately slow traffic, cause accidents during peak hour.

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Now, for whatever reasons the cyclist did this, he was breaking the law.
Rule 253
Now, if he can break the law and expect to get away with it, it's just plain arrogant to expect the motorist to obey the law.
That is the sort of thing that ****es me off.

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I was going to agree with your post until the part posted above.

How do you know he moved out to antagonise you? There could have been glass on the road or something you couldn't see or any other reason that unless you stopped and spoke to him to ask why is a presumption on your part. Or there could be more to the story that your not telling us. ;)

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Originally Posted by frantic

Unfortunately those 20 second delays add up, and if you pass 15-20 groups of MAMILS who enforce their right to obstruct traffic and they then cut in front at a set of lights or two, your 20 Min trip turns into 30 Min of frustration. Or your commute turns from 1 hour to 1.5hours with the last half playing dodge the self nominee for a Darwin award.
There was a song that had one line about driving really slow in the ultra fast lane that is appropriate in regards to some bike riders and traffic.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kNneBbhVNxEAgain I'll say, I've seen bad drivers, but none I've seen have gone out to deliberately slow traffic, cause accidents during peak hour.

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How much quicker would your commute to work be with no other cars holding you up as well, no traffic lights, no stop signs etc? I can't see how groups of cyclists only could extend your journey time by 50%.

I've driven to work 2 days this week and with so many people still being on holiday my driving time has been about half what it normally is so my experience would indicate that it is in actual fact other motorists that add more to my journey time than any other group.

Maybe we should ban all cars as well as cyclists so the entitled amongst us can use the roads free of any obstacles. :wasntme:

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Originally Posted by frantic

Unfortunately those 20 second delays add up, and if you pass 15-20 groups of MAMILS who enforce their right to obstruct traffic and they then cut in front at a set of lights or two, your 20 Min trip turns into 30 Min of frustration. Or your commute turns from 1 hour to 1.5hours with the last half playing dodge the self nominee for a Darwin award.
There was a song that had one line about driving really slow in the ultra fast lane that is appropriate in regards to some bike riders and traffic.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kNneBbhVNxEAgain I'll say, I've seen bad drivers, but none I've seen have gone out to deliberately slow traffic, cause accidents during peak hour.

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I feel for you if your route is so polluted by those pesky people riding bikes. Especially if they are the kind of cyclists who flagrantly break the law and go out of their way to cause delay (stereotyping?).

If it causes you such frustration, as it seems to, maybe chose an alternate route less polluted by cyclists. Or seek counselling.

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Originally Posted by loneranger

I was going to agree with your post until the part posted above.

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Go on. Admit it. You were never going to agree with my post.
Where would the fun be in that?

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Originally Posted by loneranger

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Now, for whatever reasons the cyclist did this, he was breaking the law.
Rule 253
Now, if he can break the law and expect to get away with it, it's just plain arrogant to expect the motorist to obey the law.
That is the sort of thing that ****es me off.

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How do you know he moved out to antagonise you? There could have been glass on the road or something you couldn't see or any other reason that unless you stopped and spoke to him to ask why is a presumption on your part. Or there could be more to the story that your not telling us. ;)

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I don't remember typing all that.
I do not recollect a cyclist moving out to antagonise me.
Oh, is this the post you are quoting?
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-ch...ml#post2298518
It would seem you are trying to quote some one else's experience as mine. I can also see you are putting your words in my mouth. Trying to muddy the water?

I stand by my post

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As I approached, I slowed, as any collision had the potential to soil my rather unique panel and paint work. Interestingly, when he realised a vehicle was behind him, he moved closer to the parked vehicle. Clearly a cyclist who had no idea of what was going on about him. As an individual, really not a problem but, when in a peloton, mob mentality takes over and the individual takes on the belief he is invincible. This can be shown in Dave's experience.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-ch...ml#post2297179

Now, for whatever reasons the cyclist did this, he was breaking the law.
Rule 253

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Bicycle riders not to cause a traffic hazard
The rider of a bicycle must not cause a traffic
hazard by moving into the path of a driver or
pedestrian.
Penalty: 1 penalty unit.

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Now, if he can break the law and expect to get away with it, it's just plain arrogant to expect the motorist to obey the law.
That is the sort of thing that ****es me off.
I'm all for fairness an equality. That is why I push for all road vehicles to be registered or not registered. That is why I push for all people in control of these vehicles to be licensed or unlicensed.

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Yes, it always ****es me off when laws and rules are not applied fairly and equally.

Oh, on the subject of glass on the road, let me refresh your road rules.
Rule 293

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Removing fallen etc things from the road
(1) This rule applies to a driver if:
(a) something falls onto the road from the driver's vehicle,
or the driver, or a passenger in or on the driver's
vehicle, puts something on the road; and
(b) there is a possibility that the thing, if left on the road,
may injure a person, obstruct the path of other drivers
or pedestrians, or damage a vehicle or anything else
(for example, the road surface).
Note Driver's vehicle is defined in the dictionary.
(2) The driver must remove the thing, or take action to have the
thing removed, from the road as soon as the driver can do so
safely.

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I read this as "If the cyclist sees glass on the road, there is a possibility that the thing, if left on the road, may injure a person, obstruct the path of other drivers or pedestrians, or damage a vehicle or anything else (for example, the road surface), so the cyclist should have stopped and removed the glass from the road.