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    Quote Originally Posted by Abc News
    Driver sobs in court over death of 70yo Perth cyclist Paola Ferroni
    By Joanna Menagh

    Posted about 3 hours agoTue 13 Jan 2015, 12:08pm
    Map: West Perth 6005

    A 41-year-old woman has sobbed in the Perth Magistrates Court as she made her first appearance on a charge of dangerous driving causing the death of a cyclist.

    Joanne Leigh Lawrence was driving when she is alleged to have hit 70-year-old Paola Ferroni as she cycled along Kings Park Road in West Perth in November last year.

    Lawrence was not required to plead to the charge and was released on bail until her next court appearance in March.

    Paola Ferroni was a retired associate professor who had previously worked at Curtin University as the Director of the Centre for International Health in the Health Services faculty.

    Friends of Ms Ferroni and her partner of 34 years, Rosemary Coates, were in court for Lawrence's appearance.

    Outside, Ms Coates described Ms Ferroni as an "extraordinary woman".

    "Everybody's feeling this terrible loss," she said.

    "I know that whenever anybody is killed or dies there are people around them who feel a loss, but we're talking about a really extraordinary woman who had done a lot not just nationally, but internationally in the area of health and international health promotion."

    Ms Coates said she was also a cyclist but had not been back on her bike since Ms Ferroni's death.

    "I probably will do when I go back to Europe but I'm not sure about cycling here other than on cycle paths, and even the cycle paths seem to be hazardous," she said.

    "Paola and I have cycled all over the world in many countries and Perth has to be absolutely the worst place for cyclists."

    Ms Coates said she planned to attend the case when it is heard in court.
    Driver sobs in court over death of 70yo Perth cyclist Paola Ferroni - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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    This not an isolated incident and yes cars run red lights too but they have compulsory third party insurance to cover these sorts of injuries.

    Pedestrian Emily Greenwood run down by cyclist

    If they want to use the road fine, get registered, display some identification like a rego plate and pay up like every car driver does and take responsibility for the damage you cause to person and property instead of using "its my right to ride" rubbish.

    If this bloke did the bolt there would be no way of knowing who he was even if there was a red light camera.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenz View Post
    This not an isolated incident and yes cars run red lights too but they have compulsory third party insurance to cover these sorts of injuries.

    Pedestrian Emily Greenwood run down by cyclist

    If they want to use the road fine, get registered, display some identification like a rego plate and pay up like every car driver does and take responsibility for the damage you cause to person and property instead of using "its my right to ride" rubbish.

    If this bloke did the bolt there would be no way of knowing who he was even if there was a red light camera.
    A $67 fine! What a joke!
    While she is seeking legal advice, Ms Greenwood does not hold out much hope of compensation.
    "I am struggling with mounting medical bills as it is," she said.
    Like the vast majority of NSW cyclists, according to data from Bicycle NSW, the offender did not have third party or public liability insurance.
    All cyclists on the road should be registered with CTP insurance.
    Points for offences should be recorded against their license, whether it be their car license or a bicycle licence. If they lose their license THEY SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RIDE THEIR BIKE. Just as it is for motorists that commit an offence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chenz View Post
    This not an isolated incident and yes cars run red lights too but they have compulsory third party insurance to cover these sorts of injuries.

    Pedestrian Emily Greenwood run down by cyclist

    If they want to use the road fine, get registered, display some identification like a rego plate and pay up like every car driver does and take responsibility for the damage you cause to person and property instead of using "its my right to ride" rubbish.

    If this bloke did the bolt there would be no way of knowing who he was even if there was a red light camera.
    So obviously all motorists who do a runner are caught, hmm? Except in the real world.

    Pretty tiresome spending time pointing out the logic errors in most of the rego/licence/insurance furphies. Except to say I ride a bike, I am insured, I also drive a Land Rover. Like a probable majority of cyclists (substitute /another make/ for Land Rover as required).

    I also know that the number of drivers who are penalised because their rego has been reported after some rule breaking is close to zero. Etc. It gets boring explaining all this to people who can't be bothered doing the critical and objective analysis and prefer to rely instead on 'common sense' or basic prejudice.

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    So we have 2 consecutive posts about accidents involving cyclists. In one article a cyclist is killed and in the other a pedestrian is injured by a cyclist. Yet we have to listen to the moral outrage about cyclists not being registered.

    Can someone please explain how a registration plate would have saved that cyclist's life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by loneranger View Post
    Can someone please explain how a registration plate would have saved that cyclist's life?
    It wouldn't in the same way this pedestrians life couldn't have been saved when hit by a cyclist.
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-08-0...-death/2525134

    So, what are you suggesting? Cars shouldn't be registered and shouldn't have CTP?

    What I am suggesting is with registration and CTP for the cyclist, Ms Greenwood would be able to claim her medical expenses from being hit by the cyclist on the cyclists CTP in the same way she would be able to claim her medical expenses from the CTP with the registration of a car had she been hit by a car.
    Cyclists should not be allowed on the road without CTP insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    Cyclists should not be allowed on the road without CTP insurance.
    it was a week or two ago in town a cyclist ran a red light (pedestrian crossing) and hit someone crossing the road. looked like a broken wrist. the pedestrian has to pay out of his own pocket until he takes the cyclist to court to pay damages. it was lucky the rider came off his bike too otherwise without rego, he would not of been identified and im pretty sure given the riders attitude he would of ridden off if he could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    What I am suggesting is with registration and CTP for the cyclist, Ms Greenwood would be able to claim her medical expenses from being hit by the cyclist on the cyclists CTP in the same way she would be able to claim her medical expenses from the CTP with the registration of a car had she been hit by a car.
    Yet if Ms Greenwood had no-one to blame other than herself for an injury shed still be out of pocket. Anyone who is not insured for their own risk faces the same problem. And cyclist caused injuries are extremely uncommon compared to motor vehicle inflicted injury.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    Cyclists should not be allowed on the road without CTP insurance.
    And once again, if anyone in power could see the benefit of this (unlike your exalted self) it would be THE LAW SOMEWHERE IN THE CIVILISED WORLD. Says something about the real world that you're not getting, doesn't it? There's not enough benefit in such a scheme to justify it.

    People just want someone else to blame for their misfortunes instead of preparing themselves for the unforseen in life. It's pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post

    People just want someone else to blame for their misfortunes instead of preparing themselves for the unforseen in life. It's pathetic.
    So, if someone runs into your vehicle with an unregistered vehicle it's "just your bad luck" & you'll take it on the chin or are you paying exorbitant insurance premiums to cover such an event?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    Yet if Ms Greenwood had no-one to blame other than herself for an injury shed still be out of pocket. Anyone who is not insured for their own risk faces the same problem. And cyclist caused injuries are extremely uncommon compared to motor vehicle inflicted injury.

    And once again, if anyone in power could see the benefit of this (unlike your exalted self) it would be THE LAW SOMEWHERE IN THE CIVILISED WORLD. Says something about the real world that you're not getting, doesn't it? There's not enough benefit in such a scheme to justify it.

    People just want someone else to blame for their misfortunes instead of preparing themselves for the unforseen in life. It's pathetic.
    Ms Greenwood was hit by a cyclist running a red light. The cyclist is at fault as, I'm sure you would agree, a motorist would be at fault had the motorist ran a red light and hit Ms Greenwood.
    Or are you suggesting both pedestrians and cyclists are "fair game" for a B-double running a red light? (rhetorical question)

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