Thread: Must some people be so ignorant.

The biggest killer that puts people off buying Land Rovers is the Propoganda purported by Toymota and Missin. They seem to ply 4x4 magazine editors with their product so they will rubbish other 4x4s. There has yet to be a decent long term test vehicle under the Land Rover banner in any of these magazines. When you read the test reports in all magazines they do have to concede that the Land Rovers are a more than capable 4x4 but lack on build quality and in the case of the Defender any real comfort levels. This generally is true. However I have had quite a few people buys Discos and Defenders after talking with me and driving my vehicles. Pricing second hand has had an awful lot to do with it. For my next vehicle I would love to buy a 130 twin cab but unless they do something about the comfort levels I may be considering an F250 or a 6wd cut down 100 series twin cab. The main feedback I get from people is the Disco is too short, even the current model for a family with camping gear etc and the Defender is just too basic and uncomfortable, but looks the part and has the right amount of room. This is generally why people bypass these vehicles. If Land Rover actually took notice of what most people want instead of pandering to the mind set of people who live in the 1950's or the elite who do not want or need load room or use their 4x4 off road you would see alot more Land Rovers on the road.

****an and Tojo have to increase the size of their motors as they cannot keep up with technology - just look how long and underdeveloped their diesel motors are.

LRH

Originally posted by LRHybrid100
****an and Tojo have to increase the size of their motors as they cannot keep up with technology - just look how long and underdeveloped their diesel motors are.

LRH

Thats my point exactly Mark, how long did it take them to begin using turbos? Christ they still release diesels without them. In my opinion, in this day and age why have a big donk without a diesel when you can have a donk half the size, half the fuel consumption and the same, or in some cases more power. Many people say the disco is gutless, but it has had the highest towing capacity of any 4wd in Aus since it was released, with the exeption of an F series truck and a kenworth. All this power from a motor that has the same economy and nearly the same size as your mums corrola.
Then came the use of intercoolers, once they realised that the turbo was more than a glorified hair drier it took just as long for them to use intercoolers on their engines. Sure they have reliability (supposedly) and better build quality, but in terms of inovation they are so far behind the 8 ball its not funny. Matt

i have been reading both 4x4australia and overlander since i started 4wding back in '82, to my wifes delight i still have just about every issue. yes the 4wd mags, especially 4x4 monthly, put **** on landys but i have noticed that over the last year or so 4x4aust and overlander are starting to bite their tongues a bit. of course you still get the morons writing stupid letters to the mags.
4x4 monthly is a different case all together, they seem to be able to slip in a snyde remark about landys whenever they can, even when they are writing a story about one. you notice that their 4wd of the year didn't include a disco, they said there wasn't one available at the time of the testing but i have the suspicion that they were afraid it would beat one of their favourites and no amount of figure juggling would cover it up.
i have seen these magazines judge a new landy not on it's merits, but on the company's past performance, i even think monthly might have already made a similar remark on the D3.
not really fair.

Originally posted by barney
i have been reading both 4x4australia and overlander since i started 4wding back in '82, to my wifes delight i still have just about every issue. yes the 4wd mags, especially 4x4 monthly, put **** on landys but i have noticed that over the last year or so 4x4aust and overlander are starting to bite their tongues a bit. of course you still get the morons writing stupid letters to the mags.
4x4 monthly is a different case all together, they seem to be able to slip in a snyde remark about landys whenever they can, even when they are writing a story about one. you notice that their 4wd of the year didn't include a disco, they said there wasn't one available at the time of the testing but i have the suspicion that they were afraid it would beat one of their favourites and no amount of figure juggling would cover it up.
i have seen these magazines judge a new landy not on it's merits, but on the company's past performance, i even think monthly might have already made a similar remark on the D3.
not really fair.

Roothy is the worst offender in his stupid articles he manages to bag landies and mention how much beer he drinks as often as he can. Now dont get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with having a few beers, but I have the cape york DVD they made and all they talked about was ARB gear and drinking beer. In my opinion beer has its place on a camping trip, but to make reference to it constantly is down right irresponsible. Many young blokes are buying 4wd's these days and if they were to watch this DVD they would think 4wding and getting ****ed goes hand in hand. Not so. Matt

Another angle about the ponce who wrote into 4 x 4 Mag - his grasp of geography and topography is poor. He made a lot of fuss about driveways in England etc , hence LR couldn't be any good - what does this guy think they have in Japan?

I beleive this guy is in the category of 4 x4 drivers (or wannabes) that that loopy Harold Scruby likes to go on about. In this case he might be right.

Interestingly, in other countries the critcism is the other way - try selling a Landcruiser in sub-saharan Africa.

cheers

Mark

Originally posted by MT
Another angle about the ponce who wrote into 4 x 4 Mag - his grasp of geography and topography is poor. He made a lot of fuss about driveways in England etc , hence LR couldn't be any good - what does this guy think they have in Japan?

I beleive this guy is in the category of 4 x4 drivers (or wannabes) that that loopy Harold Scruby likes to go on about. In this case he might be right.

Interestingly, in other countries the critcism is the other way - try selling a Landcruiser in sub-saharan Africa.

cheers

Mark

Thats the thing, Land Cruisers may out sell land rovers in Australia, but all the other countries where you can actually get Land Cruisers people know better. Matt

I would not let any of it worry you, just feel superior knowing that you have the best 4x4xfar :wink: