Thread: Local Teen driver and tragedy

Originally Posted by Redback

That won't change much, ......... Teenagers, only listen to teenagers. Baz.

Yep that's it isn't it.
I too can't believe I made it to 20.
I sent 2 (now very collectable) cars to the tip through my driving prior to 20
I was bulletproof. I had a mate get me into Rally Driving which provided immense satisfaction and safety for me.
I have a completely unresearched belief that young men come in generally two types of idiot.
Those who have an idea about vehicles and want to "see what it and them can do"
And those that have no idea and do the same as above.
The outcome is often the same .
I put myself in the first type and (again my unresearched theory ) perhaps have just that slightly better chance of being directed into an appropriate club/event/activity away from streets and into a more controlled environment.
If you know kids like that- steer them towards participation (not spectating) in Motorsport or any activity which satisfies the need for adrenalin.

For those of us that love machinery, it's a powerful drug.
Between a big road bike and my daily drive (avatar) I still get the same rush as I did when I was young. There's just a whole lot of experience and knowledge/sensibility applied now.

Originally Posted by newhue

Simon I saw that show as well, lucky any of us get to be older than 25 really.

If all cars we all wheel drive. perhaps had a top speed of 80, delayed or controlled acceleration, ABS, traction, stability, 10 air bags, and those sensor that apply brakes if you are X from X. No phone connection except for navigation, probably no radio, or cup holders, and does not start if its overladed; than just maybe the toll would come down. But very few would accept such a model, no government would dare to tell a manufacturer unless it's like that, than your car is illegal in Australia.

It would be political suicide and anything in a car that measures a value so that it can be used to do something can easily be hacked so it shows as doing something else. Take trucks speed limiters. OEMs of both the trucks and the engines go to huge and expensive lengths to make sure the truck can only do 100, and despite the systems going into limp home mode if you stuff it up, it still isn't that hard to bypass the limiters if you know how - or can use the Internet. I used to work for Cummins and it drives them crazy trying to design systems to ensure compliance, but you see everyday vehicles that have got around it - and there are plenty of ways to do it.

Originally Posted by strangy

Yep that's it isn't it.
I too can't believe I made it to 20.
I sent 2 (now very collectable) cars to the tip through my driving prior to 20
I was bulletproof. I had a mate get me into Rally Driving which provided immense satisfaction and safety for me.
I have a completely unresearched belief that young men come in generally two types of idiot.
Those who have an idea about vehicles and want to "see what it and them can do"
And those that have no idea and do the same as above.
The outcome is often the same .
I put myself in the first type and (again my unresearched theory ) perhaps have just that slightly better chance of being directed into an appropriate club/event/activity away from streets and into a more controlled environment.
If you know kids like that- steer them towards participation (not spectating) in Motorsport or any activity which satisfies the need for adrenalin.

For those of us that love machinery, it's a powerful drug.
Between a big road bike and my daily drive (avatar) I still get the same rush as I did when I was young. There's just a whole lot of experience and knowledge/sensibility applied now.

Exactly, I myself started out on motorbikes, then cars, rolled two cars before I had my Licence, an older friend got me into motorcycle touring and track days at Oran Park and Amaroo, when I moved to Sydney(Manly Warringah MCC) at the ripe ol age of 22, changed my whole perspective towards riding on the road, although I was still a hoon at times, but what woke me up the most was being cleaned up on my way to work one Sunday morning, broke my L2 vertebrae, some ribs and a torn Urethra, I figuered if I was going to ride bikes again, I'd learn how to properly and safely, I was 26.

I took up racing bikes a few years later(at 31) road and dirtbikes, still riding today, not racing though, can't imagine life without a bike.

Baz.

Originally Posted by newhue

Simon I saw that show as well, lucky any of us get to be older than 25 really.

If all cars we all wheel drive. perhaps had a top speed of 80, delayed or controlled acceleration, ABS, traction, stability, 10 air bags, and those sensor that apply brakes if you are X from X. No phone connection except for navigation, probably no radio, or cup holders, and does not start if its overladed; than just maybe the toll would come down. But very few would accept such a model, no government would dare to tell a manufacturer unless it's like that, than your car is illegal in Australia.

If that was the case...

Fatigue would increase exponentially...
Accidents from spilling drinks due to not being in holders (thats one of the reasons they're in there)
Accidents from holding a mobile phone (hence invention of hands free)

Overload sensors - The 200 Sahara has this, wont lift or move if overloaded!!! Its hysterical to watch!

2 vehicles doing 80km/h colliding is still deadly - and the model proposed would all have to be of equal mass, dimension etc to reduce a smaller vehicle (with all the add ons) being obliterated by a larger vehicle fitted with same...

Didnt Germany have something similar to this think there was a Wall involved....

No **** Tombie, I guess the steering wheel is to steer as well, that's why it's there.

It's not worth the debate, let em die.

Can debate until you're blue in the face, young people are going to find a way to do stupid things.
Most times we survive and learn from the experience. Some times, we die. Other times, someone else dies.
It's a tragedy but that's life.

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