Nobody died for our flag - they died for our country and they would have died just as bravely if our flag was the boxing kangaroo. It's no argument for preserving a flag design forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by d2dave
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Nobody died for our flag - they died for our country and they would have died just as bravely if our flag was the boxing kangaroo. It's no argument for preserving a flag design forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by d2dave
Australia currently has a flag that represents our colonial past, now more than 100 years ago, and a time when people could still see the starry sky in the main cities. It might be time to look forwards rather than backwards.
I suggest a flag consisting of a red-brown rectangle, representing our recurring droughts, a thin green line around 3 edges representing the bit that's liveable, and a black, toilet shaped hole in the middle representing our mining future.:wasntme:
i'll vote for that!Quote:
Originally Posted by bee utey
Kind of makes us look like England's bitch with a union jack in the corner of our flag :wasntme:
I also think people died for an ideal, not a flag. It's related but not the same. I'm proud of our country's heritage (but ashamed of some of our people).
It's like the bogans have latched on to the southern cross as their unofficial flag which makes me flinch when I see it. The southern cross bumper sticker is normally accompanied by the f' off we're full sticker in my experience. Not the inclusive vision I have for our country. A new flag might be just the ticket to kick off a new movement of working together as a country. But then again, maybe not :)
Pricey
My idea of a flag is something that when you see it, people will automaticly think Australia, like Canada and the USA, Great Britan:p
There should be NO reference to anybodys background, so no Union, Aboriginal, Greek or whoevers flag and the Southern Cross is a good start.
Baz.
redback for PM!Quote:
Originally Posted by Redback
But how do you depict a crap cricket team on a flag? :wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by Redback
A fruitbat?Quote:
Originally Posted by gusthedog
Union Jack's are O.K. on the bow sprit of Royal Navy ships, but why should either New Zealand or Australia have a defaced ensign as a national flag. Particularly ones where the Union Flag of the United Kingdom obliterates the premier quadrant (upper hoist) of our flags.Quote:
Originally Posted by discovery39
As John Williamson once said, (paraphrasing) it's like the Union Flag is imposed over our great Australian (or New Zealand) sky reminding us every day that we are a subjugated people beholden to Britain. :mad:
Actually until Vietnam Aussie and Kiwi soldiers fought and died under the Union Flag, but whats more important they didn't fight for the flag they fought for their mates and for their country whether that be Australia or New Zealand.Quote:
Originally Posted by d2dave
Our other Commonwealth Allies in those earlier conflicts have all changed their flags (Canada, India, South Africa) and even the United States has changed it's flag, twice, since WWII, so as always we seem to be lagging behind.
And the Torres Straight Islander Flag. (omitting the fact that the states mostly have ensigns rather than flags)Quote:
Originally Posted by JDNSWAustralia actually has more than two - national flag, merchant navy ensign, army flag (same as national), naval ensign, air force flag, civil aviation flag, not to mention all the state and territory flags, plus the aboriginal flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eevo
Same sort of thing applies to other countries, for example, the UK has the Union Flag, red ensign, blue ensign, white ensign, or the USA, which has the national flag and merchant navy ensign. And I am sure many other countries also have multiple flags, most commonly a distinctive flag at sea and for armed forces.
John
True in the original Federation movement in the 1880s New Zealand was to be one of the States, but prior to 1901 they decided to go it alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eevo
Having a sister country so close is great but we don't need to become a single country so long as we work constructively together, it would also make our sporting events more like interstate competitions (Sheffield Shield etc.) and where's the interest in that?
We'd have to have two flags:Quote:
Originally Posted by gusthedog
- One for when they're crap :(
- the other for when they're great! :o
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NuLG-HRYis[/ame]
Not that I agree with the sentiment of the song, I'm more than happy with our flag.