Now that's a flag!

Hmmm, this started off a bit of a row, didn't it.


The whole argument that people died fighting for our flag is rubbish. Firstly, it's factually wrong as most people who fought did it under previous flags. Secondly, people don't fight for flags, they fight for countries or cities or people groups or to get rid of tyrants.


Personally I'd be happy with a big red roo bouncing along under the Southern Cross over a dry brown background, maybe with a koala snoozing in the bottom right corner. Kitsch I know, but at least it would be homegrown, unlike the present flag, which doesn't mean much to me.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NuLG-HRYis

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Yep,

Thats it we need someone who is hallucinating and taking advice from a long dead cop killer who lived in a time when Australia was an English colony making statements about our future as a country and what flag we should have...

Mind you one of our popular songs is about a sheep rustler/theif caught by the law who commits suicide rather than face justice.....

(I believe Kelly forfeited his right to be involved in our future when he started killing people... just saying....in 100 years time I truely hope normal people will not be talking about Martin Bryant and how he was hard done by --- )

Now if he sang the same song as being from a farmer or an old soldier or someone else - then it'd have some cred!


well now, I'll just set this cat down here amongst the pigeons and pop off over this way..... :angel:

The "long dead cop killer" had a good reason to be angry with the cops.

Wouldn't you?

Poor Ned Kelly.....it's easier to do today.

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Yep,

Thats it we need someone who is hallucinating and taking advice from a long dead cop killer who lived in a time when Australia was an English colony making statements about our future as a country and what flag we should have...

Mind you one of our popular songs is about a sheep rustler/theif caught by the law who commits suicide rather than face justice.....

(I believe Kelly forfeited his right to be involved in our future when he started killing people... just saying....in 100 years time I truely hope normal people will not be talking about Martin Bryant and how he was hard done by --- )

Now if he sang the same song as being from a farmer or an old soldier or someone else - then it'd have some cred!


well now, I'll just set this cat down here amongst the pigeons and pop off over this way..... :angel:

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I've been to the memorial at Stringback Creek for Constable Lonigan, Sergeant Kennedy, Constable Scanlon, interesting place, can't imagine the sceen at that time, it's rough country, lots of gullys and is heavily wooded, wouldn't be hard to lay in wait or sneak up on someone.

There's no excuse for killing Police, regardless of whether they were bad or not and lets face it, the Vic Police in those days were not saints, most were Irish ex convicts trying to avoid persecution, but yes, any reference to Ned Kelly is not on in my books, as you said he forfeited any rights for the future of this country, he had a choice, to put it all behind him and live peacefully, like other families, he chose the wrong one.

I would like the Eureka flag, BUT, that has been abused and tarnished by corrupt unions and not a choice anymore.

Baz.

I agree Ned Kelly should not have any appearance on our flag.
We need a flag which looks forwards, not backwards. This should be about the future, not the past. It should be unambiguously Australian, no matter your politics. Something we agree on.

I am neutral on this topic, but a good balanced review is:

A New Flag for Australia?

and lets avoid the kitsch, who wants a lamington on top of Ularu being eaten by a Kangaroo :D

I like our flag. To change it just because some people don't like the Union Jack in the corner is too divisive.

I would favour a change if the reason was monumentally significant. As in we become a republic. A whole new direction for all.

I know that is opening another can of worms, but it is inevitable I think. One day. Just like gay marriage. Oops! (Another can). Maybe when the Quen dies it will get another run.

Ummm lamingtons!

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I am neutral on this topic, but a good balanced review is:

A New Flag for Australia?

and lets avoid the kitsch, who wants a lamington on top of Ularu being eaten by a Kangaroo :D

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I agree with this bit:


The widespread use of the Boxing Kangaroo flag and other sports flags demonstrates the inability of the current national flag to fully reflect the national pride and identification needs of ordinary Australians.
The design of the current Australian National Flag is criticised for lacking any distinctive Australian design elements - the Union Jack in the top left corner ("the canton") indicates, in heraldry, that the United Kingdom flag is superior to the other design elements; the Southern Cross is not unique to Australia - it appears on a number of other national flags of countries in the southern hemisphere; and the Commonwealth Star is meaningless to foreigners, unless they are explicitly educated about the meaning of the elements of the Australian flag. Many other countries include a large star on their flag.


I also think several of the alternative flag designs at the bottom of that article are more Australian than our current flag, which is really a British flag.

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I agree with this bit:


The widespread use of the Boxing Kangaroo flag and other sports flags demonstrates the inability of the current national flag to fully reflect the national pride and identification needs of ordinary Australians.
The design of the current Australian National Flag is criticised for lacking any distinctive Australian design elements - the Union Jack in the top left corner ("the canton") indicates, in heraldry, that the United Kingdom flag is superior to the other design elements; the Southern Cross is not unique to Australia - it appears on a number of other national flags of countries in the southern hemisphere; and the Commonwealth Star is meaningless to foreigners, unless they are explicitly educated about the meaning of the elements of the Australian flag. Many other countries include a large star on their flag.


I also think several of the alternative flag designs at the bottom of that article are more Australian than our current flag, which is really a British flag.

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A well selected quote Mick.

...it's unfortunate that all the alternative flags on the 'New Flag for Australia?' site are embarrassingly inelegant and kitsch.

It's also blatantly obvious that the current Australian flag is not capable of representing the full cultural diversity of the Australian continent and that it should be a relic of a bygone colonial era. The challenge remains to come up with a flag that is capable of uniting the full cultural diversity of this extraordinary continent we all live on together.