Thread: Bow Fishing - Greens Object

Originally Posted by POD

Pretty hard to confuse these with a platypus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwMSy7xK218

Hope you don't have those flying carp in Oz. That looks to be a a clip shot here.
They are destroying inland fisheries here.

Originally Posted by KarlB

Just to add some real meat to the discussion I have attached the Risk Assessment associated with the NSW bow-fishing proposal. That said, is is bleedingly obvious that such 'fishing' will have no significant impact on the distribution or abundance of European Carp in our natural waterways.

Cheers
KarlB

I don't think anyone ever suggested that bow fishing would be a control method for ridding carp. It is just the greenies view that every creature is sacred and therefore cannot be dispatched to its maker.

As a recreational pursuit, it is no different from any other form of fishing and it performs some small task of getting a carp than potentially produce 1 million eggs out of the system. The spin-off from those persons spending their hard earned travelling to and supporting the rural businesses in towns along the Murray Darling Basin is also a positive.

A win win all round I would have thought

Originally Posted by Chenz

I don't think anyone ever suggested that bow fishing would be a control method for ridding carp. It is just the greenies view that every creature is sacred and therefore cannot be dispatched to its maker.

As a recreational pursuit, it is no different from any other form of fishing and it performs some small task of getting a carp than potentially produce 1 million eggs out of the system. The spin-off from those persons spending their hard earned travelling to and supporting the rural businesses in towns along the Murray Darling Basin is also a positive.

A win win all round I would have thought

Hi Chenz

I suggest you go back to the original article linked in the first post to see what the differences are between bow-fishing and hook and line fishing.

You say "I don't think anyone ever suggested that bow fishing would be a control method for ridding carp" then you say "... performs some small task of getting a carp than potentially produce 1 million eggs out of the system". Do you not see the inconsistency in these two statements? You are justifying bow-fishing on the grounds that it would contribute to carp control even if only in a small way. It wouldn't.

As for 'greenies', the original article largely cites Dr Tom Grant who is a world authority on the Platypus and has worked on the species for nearly 50 years. Similarly, Prof. David Goldney is well respected by the scientific community for his knowledge of inland aquatic systems. You can label these scientists 'greenies' if you like. I am sure neither would dispute the significance of carp as a pest and indeed would be more aware of their impacts than you and me. Both would want to rid our waterways of the carp scourge.

To my mind, the issue comes down to:

• By-catch where a species other than carp are taken accidentally;
• Intentional targeting of non-carp species by frustrated bow-fishers or purposeful wrong-doers; and
• No significant impact of the activity on carp numbers or distribution in our natural waterways.

Biological control of carp using a herpes type virus has been in the news the last few days. The following provides a good summary of this: [ame]http://www.pestsmart.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/CPFS7.pdf[/ame]


And to end on a lighter note:
We're killing off carp with herpes. What other pests should we eradicate? | First Dog on the Moon | Opinion | The Guardian

Cheers
KarlB

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Murray-Darling carp plague requires urgent release of fish virus say farmers, environmentalists - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

First Dog on the Moons take on the issue
We're killing off carp with herpes. What other pests should we eradicate? | First Dog on the Moon | Opinion | The Guardian

Originally Posted by Maryland 110

Hope you don't have those flying carp in Oz. That looks to be a a clip shot here.
They are destroying inland fisheries here.

Not yet, at least.

All it will take is for some Johnny Depp bozo to bring in a couple with Pistol and Boo and let them out for a swim in a local creek!

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Not yet, at least.

All it will take is for some Johnny Depp bozo to bring in a couple with Pistol and Boo and let them out for a swim in a local creek!

Has already been done with turtles and other fresh water aquatic pests. Plenty of streams contain mosquito fish , guppies etc. Have heard of areas near Kedron Brook with wild populations of Amazon Sword plants.
Interesting though , no negative feedback on another introduced species of fish , Brown Trout. They surely must be taking the niche place of a native critter ?

Originally Posted by Chenz

......It is just the greenies view that every creature is sacred and therefore cannot be dispatched to its maker.....

What a load of carp. One guy looking out for a platypus becomes all greenies and every creature? You take any interruption to your playtime very seriously indeed.

Originally Posted by trog

Has already been done with turtles and other fresh water aquatic pests. Plenty of streams contain mosquito fish , guppies etc. Have heard of areas near Kedron Brook with wild populations of Amazon Sword plants.
Interesting though , no negative feedback on another introduced species of fish , Brown Trout. They surely must be taking the niche place of a native critter ?

There are 43 exotic fish species established in Australia (see attachment Ferals_Exotic_Fish).

An even larger number of native fishes (79 species) have been translocated to places in which they do not naturally occur. These 'native' species can be as problematic as the exotic introductions (see attachment Ferals_Native_Fish).

Cheers
KarlB