Thread: LPG being phased out by major servos.

hits rumor bee hanging around for 12 months or so now
lack of demand

I know a guy who owns around 12 BP service stations.

We had a chat about LPG not long ago as our vans run on it,and i need another van,but will probably go to diesel.
I prefer LPG liquid injection over diesel any day,for a number of reasons.

Anyway,he prefers a garage without LPG,main reasons being,
Less compliances,
Low margin on LPG,
Demand gradually dropping off.The main users were the taxi industry.Some of the hybrids they use these days are on LPG as well,but not many,and they don't use anywhere near as much as a Falcon used to.Over the next few years the taxi industry will go to full electric anyway.

There are also no government incentives.

I have my scuba tanks and sequential injection gear off at the moment because the 4.6 went in and we didnt put the gas gear back on and then the other day the tanks came out to get to the fuel pump....i wonder if i should bother putting it all back on. Very expensive BRC- Impco system but it owes me nothing now...it has paid for itself.

Cheers

Mine runs great on LPG,,
as it should.
If you are going to keep the car I think its a good idea,,

I wouldnt bother with LPG.
I had a Ser3 109 with a 120lt tank.Living in the country it was stupid the price difference between country and city LPG costs.I could drive the 109 to Perth 160km away and fill it up for half the price,occasionaly I did when I was bored and had nothing better to do.
Several times touring up Broome way in an non LPG vehicle I have seen many of those vic registered LPG only vehicles awaiting LPG delivery to roadhouses.Only seemed to be vic plated vehicles and they were screaming mad as there was no LPG for sale until the next road train delivery.
I did have several work utes many moons ago,falcon 4.1 and 4.0 on dual LPG,I liked how clean the engine ran.
The government has killed LPG with the end onf conversion subsidys and the rumored incoming tax on LPG.
Andrew

The hybrid has a LPG system.
The thing to remember about LPG is although it produces less particulates, it has a lower energy density, so you burn more per km. Although LPG produces less CO2/kg, any environmental savings may be negated due to an increase in fuel consumption.
LPG was a waste product in the production process. They used to burn it off. With our refineries closing and more of our fuels being imported, in the future it probably won't be economical to import LPG for automotive use.
Pity.
When LPG is NLA, I'll pull out the gas tank and put another fuel tank in that space.

So whats next the Aussie BBQ? no gas for that either.
People on properties with no Natural gas, using LPG stoves.
Forklifts?
From Origin Energy


What is LPG?


29 January 2015

LPG (or liquefied petroleum gas) is a versatile fuel commonly used in Australian homes and businesses. In summer, you'll often see people swapping LPG bottles at the local petrol station, getting ready to power up their BBQ.

LPG is also important for use in industrial, commercial, agricultural, horticultural and manufacturing applications. At home, it can provide us with heating, hot water and power to cook our food, as well as fuel for our cars. It even powers cogeneration plants!
But what's in it?

In Australia, LPG is propane gas, but overseas it can also be a mix of propane and butane gas. For those scientifically minded, propane (C3H8) contains three carbon atoms and eight hydrogen atoms. Butane (C4H10) contains four carbon atoms and ten hydrogen atoms.
Simply put, this means propane works well in cold weather, but butane isn't as effective. For those happy campers who wake up to cold mornings, butane isn't a great option.
Natural gas and LPG

Home appliances can run on either natural gas or LPG so it's important to know the difference between the two.
LPG is produced during oil refining or is extracted during the natural gas production process. If you release LPG, gas is emitted. In order to transport it, LPG needs to be placed under modest pressure to form a liquid. It can then be stored and transported in LPG cylinders.
Natural gas is extracted from deep within the earth and can contain ethane, propane, butane and pentane. Australian homes typically have hot water, appliances and heating fuelled by natural gas, which is delivered in pipelines.
At Origin, we explore and produce gas products to help meet energy needs both in the home and as a reliable energy source for businesses.
Why use LPG?

LPG has a high heating or caloric value which means that as an energy source, LPG provides a high level of heat in a short lifetime. LPG also has a virtual absence of sulphur, leading to cleaner burning. Usually sold in gas cylinders, LPG is a convenient, portable energy source that is easy to transport and store.
For industry, LPG has a consistent quality so when used for gas engines in forklifts or industrial boilers, it's reliable and steady.
How to check the level of gas in your LPG cylinder

You can check the level of gas in your LPG cylinder by carefully pouring hot water down the side of the cylinder. Give it a minute and then run your hand down the cylinder. It will feel cool to the touch at the level of the gas. Be super careful with the hot water!
If you'd like more handy hints about managing your LPG, check out our tips to avoid running out of gas here.

No, LPG will be available for a loooong time with the exception of cars. Gas powered forks are more popular than any other type. They aren't saying they'll stop producing LPG, it's just becoming less economically viable for servo owners to stock it.

With the price of LPG compared to petrol now, it's not surprising that no one is getting their cars converted now. LPG over this side of town is 70 cents per litre and petrol (up until last weekend) was under $1 a litre so who would bother? You would never pay the system off converting now.

A real shame as Australia led the way with LPG powered vehicles but it looks like that will be consigned to the history books now.