Census time again

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

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I actually think online voting could reduce fraud in elections by cutting the 'vote early and vote often' factor out as occurs with paper rolls where people can tour several polling booths and get their name crossed off repeatedly.
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Have another think about that! For internet voting to be as secure as paper voting (including an audit trail to be able to check afterwards whether it really was secure) a minimum requirement is to be able to show that all the links between the voter and the AEC result are secure and correctly saving the audit trail.

This would include showing that every bit of software, from every voter's device operating system, the browser they use, the internet routers etc along the route to the AEC, and the AEC software itself, are all free from malware, backdoors etc, and actually do what they claim to do in all circumstances!

This requirement is virtually impossible to meet, ever. I can hear you say "we do it for banking"; yes, but banking software includes an audit trail, and individuals are going to notice discrepancies pretty quickly - by contrast, with voting, once you vote, there is no way of knowing whether that vote was counted in the totals the way you voted!

While paper voting is by no means perfect, I cannot see how a practical internet system could come close as far as security goes.

John

Yes, I follow you, but if voting couldn't be done on personal machines, but had to be done by going to polling booths and using the voting machines provided, such as at post offices, libraries, Centrelink and local council offices, then that should make online voting relatively secure, compared with the current level of voter fraud.

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They'd have to do a damn site better job than the ABS. Although I suspect funding was the issue there and I still can't log on.
The last Election also had funding issues. This time there were long queues which were a new feature to me.

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Originally Posted by johntins

While I agree with you on the scale of paranoia around this issue, I have to chuckle at that las sentence. If they have all this stuff, and I know that they do, and far, far more, why the hell am I compelled to sit down and waste my time filling in the answers to such banal questions as " Is there anyone in the household who accesses the internet"!?!? It was an online questionnaire, for heaven's sake!

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I had a chuckle at that one too. I mean who makes up these questions???

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Originally Posted by Roverlord off road spares

One of the questions on the form was re education, it would have been good to have a question in regards to private school or public schooling. This would have been good to show statistics on where tax payer money should be needed to be spent.

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They already have that information from school enrollment data - they don't need the Census to work it out...;)

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Originally Posted by Bytemrk

They already have that information from school enrollment data - they don't need the Census to work it out...;)

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In hind sight, maybe they did ask?

And the first useful bit of data the census has allegedly produced is...

3:4 of the people in asutralia make up 75% of the populous.

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Originally Posted by 350RRC

As I write this I'm watching a delusional, useless public servant trying to give the impression that all is good.

He's just said that over 100,000 have already completed it online.

HTF does that work? It isn't August the 9th yet.

I resent the 'legal' demand for my name. A bloke called around last weekend from the ABS and bailed me up.

I just said give me the paper form, he asked all sorts of questions while pressing buttons on his phone with every answer from me.

Last census time I saw the bloke pull up and put the form in my letterbox and that is where it stayed while the snails crawled all over it until it miraculously disappeared some weeks later.

Yes Mario in the past I've had a 'person' living in my old house, spoke Labradorian and worked for board and lodging as a 'guard'. Her name was Phyllis and she lived to the ripe old age of 17.

I have truckloads of experience assisting a certain state public sector getting info from a commercial fishing sector, with that sector's full knowledge and advice and all I can say is that, by comparison, the latest effort by the ABS is so laughably pathetic that it is failing its charter.

The worst (and most unnecessary) thing to do is alienate the group you are trying to get info from. Top marks to the ABS for 'achieving' that.

cheers, DL

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Just going back to what I said a week or so ago.

The ID resentment from me was all about the wider community resentment and non-participation. Not about personal paranoia.

I think just about everything has come true, and the PS I was watching at the time is the boss of the BoS.

DL

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Have another think about that! For internet voting to be as secure as paper voting (including an audit trail to be able to check afterwards whether it really was secure) a minimum requirement is to be able to show that all the links between the voter and the AEC result are secure and correctly saving the audit trail.

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While paper voting is by no means perfect, I cannot see how a practical internet system could come close as far as security goes.

John

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https://followmyvote.com/online-voti...in-technology/

Just read about Michael McCormack MP, who has been defending the census has had his web site hacked today. Just read it on the ABC news site. He closes his web site down and put up a message close for maintenance. Nothing is safe on the web theses days. If they want the information they will find away to get it. Heather