Thread: Big storm and no power in SA

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Victorian power and gas prices to surge, partly due to Hazelwood closure - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Further coverage in Melbourne Herald Sun today.
My elec & gas will go up at least 10%%, but why a 10% increase for gas, not affected by Hazlewood?
Pickles.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

Further coverage in Melbourne Herald Sun today.
My elec & gas will go up at least 10%%, but why a 10% increase for gas, not affected by Hazlewood?
Pickles.

Because gas and electricity in a domestic situation are in competition, so an increase in electricity price means more demand for gas, hence rising price for gas. (Actually, with gas also in relatively short supply, it is likely that the electricity price has been holding gas price down)

John

Originally Posted by bee utey

Hate speech from a moderator, metaphorical or not, what's next? And how would an act of brutality fix a problem traced back to successive administrations ceding control of the electricity grid to rapacious foreign corporations? Which is still happening, see WA's proposed plan to sell 51% of their assets to fund pork barreling.

We had a union rep call in to address us earlier in the week.
We have no union members and we have a very good self negotiated pay deal.
Once the union bloke worked out we weren't into a union membership he went into labor government vote begging.
Tried telling us if the WA Gov sell Western Power our power prices will rocket thru the roof like country fuel prices.I asked him did he check our fuel prices as they are much lower than Perth.He told me THIS WEEK,I told him EVERY WEEK.
We had serious questions.WALGA(West Australian Local Government Assosiation) wants to change all WA local government workers over to the federal award,rather than the state award.
This goose could only tell us we were much better on the state award,couldnt tell us why.
Our meeting with the CEO was canceled due to a farm fire we had to attend.We have asked the CEO to re convine the meeting with both awards in writing so we can compare.The info is VERY HARD to find online.
The union bloke was a ****ing joke!!!!!!
Andrew

Originally Posted by bee utey

Hate speech from a moderator, metaphorical or not, what's next?

calling it hate speech is a long bow to draw.. IMHO

did it break any rules, no

did it do the author any favours, i doubt it.

if you have a complaint please use the report icon to report the post and make sure you put your point of view in the comments section, instead of disrupting the thread to reprimand someone, be they a moderator or anyone else for that matter

thanks

Well, IMHO, these increases will have a not insignificant effect on all Victorians.
Listening to the News last night, several small businesses were spoken to, all were putting their pricing up to compensate, & what of the Portland Aluminium smelter,...they use HUGE amounts of electricity, they are border line profitable, it will be interesting to see what effect it will have upon them.
Pickles.

Seems likely there will be a fast shift from coal to gas, with the oldest and dirtiest coal plants such as Hazelwood shutting first, which will cut emissions by about 50%, combined with continued increases in solar and wind, because that's what the public wants.
Adani's coal is all going to India anyway.
Gas will provide similar baseline reliability to coal, but be cleaner so the government can say it is meeting emissions targets.
Gas prices will rise because the electricity generators will have to compete with the higher prices which foreign buyers are paying under contracts for our gas exports.
Gas prices are linked to oil prices, which will rise because OPEC, particularly Saudia Arabia and Russia, have budget emergencies and need to reduce supply to cause prices to rise to balance their budgets.
So, what actions can individual consumers take to protect their wallets? There is only one realistic option - go solar.
When Tesla releases it's glass solar roof tiles to feed its already available battery banks, and other companies follow, then I don't think you have to be a genius to predict there will be an even greater stampede into solar. The world is changing - for the good.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/11/ho...e-normal-roof/


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Originally Posted by incisor

calling it hate speech is a long bow to draw.. IMHO

did it break any rules, no

did it do the author any favours, i doubt it.

if you have a complaint please use the report icon to report the post and make sure you put your point of view in the comments section, instead of disrupting the thread to reprimand someone, be they a moderator or anyone else for that matter

thanks

Your forum, your rules, I don't have a problem with that. And your/Gavs posts could have been in the form of a PM, if disruption minimisation was desired...

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Anyway, have any of the forum lecky experts have a ball park figure for how many hundreds of millions of taxpayers money would be needed to prop up/repurchase elderly and unprofitable privately owned coal plants? Wouldn't that money be better used to rapidly build up storage capable of handling fast peaking loads? It's 2016 now, no longer 1996 with no wind and solar in sight.

Originally Posted by bee utey

Your forum, your rules, I don't have a problem with that. And your/Gavs posts could have been in the form of a PM, if disruption minimisation was desired...

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Anyway, have any of the forum lecky experts have a ball park figure for how many hundreds of millions of taxpayers money would be needed to prop up/repurchase elderly and unprofitable privately owned coal plants? Wouldn't that money be better used to rapidly build up storage capable of handling fast peaking loads? It's 2016 now, no longer 1996 with no wind and solar in sight.

Yes, that's right. What is the alternative to closing down dirty old coal plants - spending ridiculous sums to refurbish them? Not going to happen - that argument is already lost. The only way forward is cleaner energy sources.

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