Thread: Law & Order is STUFFED.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

G'Day.

I know a few people in the Highway Patrol, all TOP blokes.

They would LOVE to do as you say, but they are NOT allowed to, and they cannot do as they would like to, as they would have a few years ago.

There are hoons in Melbourne that actually taunt the Police by doing burnouts etc in the sight of a Highway Patrol car, & then speed off at great speed, knowing that the Police won't / can't chase them.

Living in Melbourne, this & other anti social stuff is in the Paper EVERY day.

Mick Marsh tells it how it REALLY is. Read his post, and you'll know the reality of the situation.

Pickles.

Ah yes I don't doubt they are good blokes, just brainwashed, conditioned by their jobs.

They took an oath which if you asked them do they know what that oath is I bet my left one they don't.

Their job is policing, deterrent, if someone is within a reasonable speed of the said limit, policing would be to pull over the offender and inform them of their wrong doing, help them to be more cautious for the rest of their journey, not to penalise them with a fine this oppresses another human being this is not their job, they are meant to be their to serve the public not uphold state laws of revenue raising with quotas to be met.

It would be within their right to refuse to revenue raise as this oppresses the same people they swore an oath to protect.

Flip side, yay a hoon or reckless driver, drunk driving, then by all means go to town on them as they are certainly a threat to our lives and are endangering the public, so this would be considered policing.

But if anyone is one of those unreasonable IDIOTS who think that if you are 10klm over the limit you are endangering others or your own lives then go back to the rock you crawled out of along with ya greens mates. (Not directed at you Pickles).

I remember when police used to police and not penalise, they gave you a warning and said slow down and wished you well for the rest of your journey, now if you are pulled over it's a given that you will receive a ticket, this is God Damn Ridiculous❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️

One cop issued a ticket to a friend of mine (female) and saw her immaculate driving history and told her to write a letter and told her what to say, and said that he didn't want to issue it but had to.

Well just bloody well don't issue it, they have the power of discretion it's called Policing, they are so bloody scared of not meeting quotas, and having to explain why an infringement wasn't issued they just blindly do as they are told.

Police are now robots when in uniform. If they don't have the power or authority to think for themselves does it not make them inhuman whilst on duty.

Pickles ask your highway patrol buddies if they play the game "Spot the TIN"
TIN being Traffic Infringement Notice, I have on good information that this is played by most Highway Patrol Officers. They compete between themselves when paired up on who can spot the most offences and issue the infringement, this apparently was instigated from higher ranks. So you get the idea, doesn't matter how trivia the infringement it must be issued.

This good information that I procured was given by a former Highway Patrol and one of the TIN's he spotted was a no indicate out of roundabout, who the ****ing Hell indicates out of a roundabout, I never see this, you could sit at a roundabout all day and just book people. Anyways, he called the TIN and when he got to the driver it was a little old lady who he said looked so scared. So he told her why she was pulled over and she had no clue that it was even a road rule as most wouldn't, he said she was in tears, so he went back to the patrol car and told his partner he was going to issue a warning, his partner said nope you spotted the TIN now write her up, he pleaded the circumstances until the point his partner told him he would write him up if he didn't.
True Story, and this was the deciding factor to his transfer out of highway patrol.

Don't be fooled people, even the real police hate highway patrol. They do have quotas and they do unlawfully issue infringements, don't fall for the whole saving lives BS.
Pulling someone over and issuing a warning to slow down saves lives, if they are repeat offenders and they are pulled over 10mins later still speeding fair enough. But to intentionally hide to catch someone 5-10klms over is BS.

Then there is the whole mobile speed camera debate, I could go on forever, this is total BS.

That's my Rant. Hopefully people will wake up, vote for independents that oppose these laws and we can restore some sense to society with police actually feeling good about their jobs.

Hey Babs, why don't you say what you REALLY think?
Lol mate, but congrats on saying your piece, there should be more of it.
The guys I know, whilst they are out in the car, would not bother anyone doing 10ks or less over, unless they were driving erratically etc.
Speed Cameras are another matter, don't get me going on them, .....whatever you could say, I would agree with,......and more!
Pickles.

Ha ha ha thanks Pickles.

I should state that I am pro Police.
I just have my views on Highway Patrol. Thought I would state that just in case someone missed the whole point of the rant.

The Singapore idea sounds very credible to me

Originally Posted by Babs

Ah yes I don't doubt they are good blokes, just brainwashed, conditioned by their jobs.

They took an oath which if you asked them do they know what that oath is I bet my left one they don't.

Their job is policing, deterrent, if someone is within a reasonable speed of the said limit, policing would be to pull over the offender and inform them of their wrong doing, help them to be more cautious for the rest of their journey, not to penalise them with a fine this oppresses another human being this is not their job, they are meant to be their to serve the public not uphold state laws of revenue raising with quotas to be met.

It would be within their right to refuse to revenue raise as this oppresses the same people they swore an oath to protect.

Flip side, yay a hoon or reckless driver, drunk driving, then by all means go to town on them as they are certainly a threat to our lives and are endangering the public, so this would be considered policing.

But if anyone is one of those unreasonable IDIOTS who think that if you are 10klm over the limit you are endangering others or your own lives then go back to the rock you crawled out of along with ya greens mates. (Not directed at you Pickles).

I remember when police used to police and not penalise, they gave you a warning and said slow down and wished you well for the rest of your journey, now if you are pulled over it's a given that you will receive a ticket, this is God Damn Ridiculous❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️

One cop issued a ticket to a friend of mine (female) and saw her immaculate driving history and told her to write a letter and told her what to say, and said that he didn't want to issue it but had to.

Well just bloody well don't issue it, they have the power of discretion it's called Policing, they are so bloody scared of not meeting quotas, and having to explain why an infringement wasn't issued they just blindly do as they are told.

Police are now robots when in uniform. If they don't have the power or authority to think for themselves does it not make them inhuman whilst on duty.

Pickles ask your highway patrol buddies if they play the game "Spot the TIN"
TIN being Traffic Infringement Notice, I have on good information that this is played by most Highway Patrol Officers. They compete between themselves when paired up on who can spot the most offences and issue the infringement, this apparently was instigated from higher ranks. So you get the idea, doesn't matter how trivia the infringement it must be issued.

This good information that I procured was given by a former Highway Patrol and one of the TIN's he spotted was a no indicate out of roundabout, who the ****ing Hell indicates out of a roundabout, I never see this, you could sit at a roundabout all day and just book people. Anyways, he called the TIN and when he got to the driver it was a little old lady who he said looked so scared. So he told her why she was pulled over and she had no clue that it was even a road rule as most wouldn't, he said she was in tears, so he went back to the patrol car and told his partner he was going to issue a warning, his partner said nope you spotted the TIN now write her up, he pleaded the circumstances until the point his partner told him he would write him up if he didn't.
True Story, and this was the deciding factor to his transfer out of highway patrol.

Don't be fooled people, even the real police hate highway patrol. They do have quotas and they do unlawfully issue infringements, don't fall for the whole saving lives BS.
Pulling someone over and issuing a warning to slow down saves lives, if they are repeat offenders and they are pulled over 10mins later still speeding fair enough. But to intentionally hide to catch someone 5-10klms over is BS.

Then there is the whole mobile speed camera debate, I could go on forever, this is total BS.

That's my Rant. Hopefully people will wake up, vote for independents that oppose these laws and we can restore some sense to society with police actually feeling good about their jobs.

Wow!!!

What insight.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Maybe he drives a Commodore.

That alone justifies further investigation.

It's all very well to say that a Police Officer can use their discretion, and they can...but at the end of the day, they have to explain to their superiors, why they haven't reached a certain amount of 'contacts'(quota). A cop who does 'old fashioned' and in my view, good policing, gets called 'lazy' and disciplined by their superiors, because they can't supply evidence of their work via infringement notices or 'pinches'.


Any of you who can stand up and say that your boss will leave you alone if he perceives you as lazy, and that you are happy to lose your job for that reason, well...take a bow, unfortunately, in this crap day and age of accountability taken to the extreme....you are the lucky few who can afford to lose your job.

Originally Posted by Gordie

It's all very well to say that a Police Officer can use their discretion, and they can...but at the end of the day, they have to explain to their superiors, why they haven't reached a certain amount of 'contacts'(quota). A cop who does 'old fashioned' and in my view, good policing, gets called 'lazy' and disciplined by their superiors, because they can't supply evidence of their work via infringement notices or 'pinches'.


Any of you who can stand up and say that your boss will leave you alone if he perceives you as lazy, and that you are happy to lose your job for that reason, well...take a bow, unfortunately, in this crap day and age of accountability taken to the extreme....you are the lucky few who can afford to lose your job.

And that's my point exactly they are not employed to make quotas they are under oath and are meant to be policing.

So if it is part of their job description to make quotas why do they deny there is a quota system in place, why because it is unjust & unlawful.
They have a union they could make a stand but obviously their is too much money at stake and a corrupt system that is flourishing.

Here is an idea, don't apply for highway patrol, if they have problems filling positions they might look at why.

People just don't care about people anymore, I'm disheartened.

Originally Posted by Babs

And that's my point exactly they are not employed to make quotas they are under oath and are meant to be policing.

So if it is part of their job description to make quotas why do they deny there is a quota system in place, why because it is unjust & unlawful.
They have a union they could make a stand but obviously their is too much money at stake and a corrupt system that is flourishing.

Here is an idea, don't apply for highway patrol, if they have problems filling positions they might look at why.

People just don't care about people anymore, I'm disheartened.

In my experience, Unions don't make a difference on a political level, and this stuff comes down from the top, most of the Police hierarchy are 'yes men' and puppets to the politicians, any rank and file copper with a bit of guts will admit that there are quotas, no 'boss' will admit that, it would kill their career.


I encourage anyone to go and take the oath, try and be the sort of copper you describe, and report back in a couple of years, as to how they were treated by the hierarchy.


PS, most coppers are dismayed at the justice system, after all, they are the ones who have to mop up at the bottom of the cliff. It's a tough gig. On the rare occasion that I have get a speeding fine from a copper, I tell them nicely, no probs mate, write me up, I have no reason for exceeding the speed limit and I know that you have a job to do.