Law & Order is STUFFED.

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

Typical Trout, as I've said, certain people on here have to resort to "name calling".
Me, I read the papers, I listen to the news,....is it all false?...how many times do I hear, "repeat bail offender", "not the first time", "repeat offender",....[snip]
Pickles.

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Dare I suggest your choice of news sources and commentary fuels and reinforces your cognitive biases, otherwise known as confirmation bias? [bigwhistle]

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Originally Posted by scarry

And if you ever get to see how things work in the youth centres "these days",you will understand why these young adults continue on with their career of crime, wrecking other peoples lives.

Its a very sad situation that,over the last couple of years has become the norm.

Its now the softly softly system,no discipline,results in no rehabilitation,so how can they ever fit back into society?

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The big thing I've taken from talking to those who've worked inside the system is the huge budget cuts on the counselling/mental heath and outside support side of things.

Where once emergency and often ongoing accommodation was available plus a warm meal, these support services have gone.

It worked as a circuit breaker.

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

Typical Trout, as I've said, certain people on here have to resort to "name calling".
Me, I read the papers, I listen to the news,....is it all false?...

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Not calling anyone names ("Typical Trout" - maybe you are)- unfortunately as has been said before, the media publishes what is sensationalist and sells airtime not balanced news - we all know that. No it is not false but it is not balanced.

Recently on a TV show, a magistrate based in the western suburbs of Melbourne was interviewed about African gangs and he highlighted that that group of offenders do not overrepresent as a group before the courts - infact basically the same as other groups even when population is considered. He did raise the issue that if you listened to the news you would come to the conclusion that they have taken over the city when they are no worse than any other group but it is only the sensationalist grabs that make it to the news.

As I said, we would not want the statistics that show the majority of major crime is decreasing to get in the way of a good news story or some people's thinking.

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Not calling anyone names ("Typical Trout" - maybe you are)- unfortunately as has been said before, the media publishes what is sensationalist and sells airtime not balanced news - we all know that. No it is not false but it is not balanced.

Recently on a TV show, a magistrate based in the western suburbs of Melbourne was interviewed about African gangs and he highlighted that that group of offenders do not overrepresent as a group before the courts - infact basically the same as other groups even when population is considered. He did raise the issue that if you listened to the news you would come to the conclusion that they have taken over the city when they are no worse than any other group but it is only the sensationalist grabs that make it to the news.

As I said, we would not want the statistics that show the majority of major crime is decreasing to get in the way of a good news story or some people's thinking.

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I don't have a problem with what you are saying, but it's not just "a good news story", what I, and some others say, is actually happening, and it's happening more & more often as time goes by,....how many times did these things happen even five years ago, ....can anyone say things are improving? They are not. Events happening in Melbourne would not even have been dreamed about even five years ago.
Anyway, if you & others wish to categorize me as "Hang 'ém High", or whatever, it ain't true, but if that's your view, you are entitled to it, just as I am entitled to mine, in my case, without resorting to name calling.
Pickles.

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

I don't have a problem with what you are saying, but it's not just "a good news story", what I, and some others say, is actually happening, and it's happening more & more often as time goes by,....how many times did these things happen even five years ago, ....can anyone say things are improving? They are not. Events happening in Melbourne would not even have been dreamed about even five years ago.
Anyway, if you & others wish to categorize me as "Hang 'ém High", or whatever, it ain't true, but if that's your view, you are entitled to it, just as I am entitled to mine, in my case, without resorting to name calling.
Pickles.

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But the overall stats say things are getting better.

Crime in Australia - Wikipedia

The charts on here are interactive. Click on the year and the graphs and bars change. FactCheck: does Victoria have Australia's highest rate of crime?

Well the Vic Govt has been re-elected so the crime can't be so bad then? Cynics would suggest it might've been a scare campaign.

Of course it was a scare campaign. Fortunately most people are smarter than that.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Of course it was a scare campaign. Fortunately most people are smarter than that.

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It was not a scare campaign.
Come down here & speak to a few Police who are facing this stuff, and see what they think. They (officers on the line) won't speak out publicly for fear of reprimand etc, but privately it's a different matter.
Pickles.

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

It was not a scare campaign.
Come down here & speak to a few Police who are facing this stuff, and see what they think. They (officers on the line) won't speak out publicly for fear of reprimand etc, but privately it's a different matter.
Pickles.

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Would they be the same police who were selling racist stubby-holders and making appallingly racist comments on-line under pseudonyms? And got sacked for their efforts? There's been issues with the police in Fitzroy and Flemington for years and the command sorted it out by moving people out.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Would they be the same police who were selling racist stubby-holders and making appallingly racist comments on-line under pseudonyms? And got sacked for their efforts? There's been issues with the police in Fitzroy and Flemington for years and the command sorted it out by moving people out.

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That was while ago wasn't it,....got a link? Look, if it was a while ago, & not recently,I think I do remember something about it, and needless to say, I don't go for racial discrimination in any way shape or form.
Pickles.