Law & Order is STUFFED.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

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Crikey Mick, you have just been warned to not get political and you post this.
Who am I supposed to debate with when you are sent on yet another "holliday"?

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Originally Posted by trout1105

No I don't think that innocents should be executed and Yes I was being provocative, However I also believe that truly Evil people should be treated like mad dogs and dispatched accordingly.
It saddens me when people like the cretin that ran down all those people in Melbourne and killed a child and 3 other people in front of hundreds of witnesses and was caught red handed is still breathing
Surely in cases like this and many others where there is 110% chance of getting it right without ANY chance of an innocent being punished the death penalty should apply.

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I didn't think so. I haven't met you Trout but you are a fisho so I didn't imagine you wanting to execute a few innocents as colateral damage! [emoji476].

Cheers

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I'll just repeat, these raids happened BECAUSE the government referred the leaks to the AFP.

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Well actually it depends who you consider the Government is - to me it is the elected MPs - the public service is that - the public service and work for whoever is in Government and only administer the legislation.

In this case the breach of security was reported to the AFP by the Secretary of the Department of Defence - solely because classified material had been compromised.

Re the leaks, the issue is that the stolen or leaked secret material is material that the public should know about, and the secrecy laws are being used to shield wrong-doing.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Crikey Mick, you have just been warned to not get political and you post this.
Who am I supposed to debate with when you are sent on yet another "holliday"?

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No politicians or political parties were mentioned in that post.

As Incisor indicated (I think), this issue is not about a particular party or politician, it's about accountability.
Should a government, any government from any party, have the power to prevent the media from revealing credible claims that government representatives have committed serious crimes, in the ABC case murder, or want to spy on the people who elected them? That's what this is about.
If this was in Current Affairs I could say a lot more, but I won't because I'm trying to stay within the rules.

Fourth Estate - Wikipedia

I'm surprised that a lot of people have no concept of the press/media as the 4th estate.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I'll just repeat, these raids happened BECAUSE the government referred the leaks to the AFP. No referral, no raids.
I certainly think the people should know if the government is secretly plotting to spy on them, or if government employees murder unarmed innocent women and children.
Stop being mushrooms and stand up for freedom, before more of it is stolen away.

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I liked the attitude of a judge in one of the US southern States who refused to try citizens who had been apprehended for using a traffic radar detector. He believed that in a democracy the citizens had a right to know if their government was engaged in covert surveillance of the citizens.

No surprises,....it's still going on, getting worse actually.
What I've been saying all along is "no deterrents"" which is EXACTLY what is being said by the officers working in the Malmsbury & other youth detention centers.
Officers are being brutally attacked,....but nothing happens to the perpetrators,.....and they (perpetrators) KNOW nothing of a seriously inconvenient nature will happen to them, so they keep doing it.
Pickles.

Even a South Sudaneese leader in Melourne has declared that there is a "Serious" Gang problem in Melbourne, What part of this don't people understand or do they simply want to ignore this problem because it isn't "Politically Correct" to admit there IS a problem with the Sudanese community in Melbourne ??

South Sudanese leader says there is a 'serious gang culture' in Melbourne after a migrant teenager was stabbed to death - despite police and Premier Daniel Andrews repeatedly denying it