Thread: Law & Order is STUFFED.

Why work when it's easier for them to rob, cheat and steal? Most wouldn't work if offered jobs anyways

Originally Posted by AllTerr

Why work when it's easier for them to rob, cheat and steal? Most wouldn't work if offered jobs anyways

Abuse I couldn’t make it in banking or politics 🤣

Cocaine would be in the affluent suburbs. We bogans can only afford cheap drugs.

Originally Posted by trout1105

There are millions of Australians that are battling to put food on the table and to pay their bills that DON"T as you so quaintly put it "

drift into drugs, alcohol, and crime" that is such a **** poor excuse.

Not an excuse. A fact. I question your figure of " millions ", also. There's a reason the lower socio-economic cohort are highly represented in our prison population, and it's not because they are born criminals.

Originally Posted by bob10

Not an excuse. A fact. I question your figure of " millions ", also. There's a reason the lower socio-economic cohort are highly represented in our prison population, and it's not because they are born criminals.

It IS an excuse, Instead of wasting their welfare money on drugs and alcohol these people would Not need to steal to survive.
I have been an unskilled worker all my life and I have had to do some really crappy jobs to put food on the table over my working life But I have Never considered Crime as an alternative to earning a quid honestly.
If the unskilled migrants and refugees can make a go of it in this country through hard work and sheer determination anyone can.
This "poor Bugger Me" attitude and lets just get drunk or stoned and blame everyone else is Bull****.
And YES there are millions of people on welfare and pensions in Australia, If you question it fair enough But do your own bloody research to "Enlighten" yourself as I don't intend to do it for you.

Originally Posted by Eevo

not sure why im doing ur homework for you

In charts: How Australia's prisoner population is booming - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


Indigenous Australians represent 28 per cent of the prisoner population according to the latest figures.



being disadvantaged, poor, non working etc is not an excuse i accept.
im sorry if my standards are too high

If you present a thesis you must be prepared to back it up.

Cherry picking sentences to suit your position could be considered disingenuous, or even cynical. Not that I'm saying that, mind. I assume you've read the entire article?

"Indigenous Australians' experiences of removal, dispossession, exclusion from education and employment, and structural disadvantage also play major roles in Indigenous offending rates and over-representation in prison. Other research has found that contributing factors include over-policing of Indigenous people with mental and cognitive disability, as well as institutional discrimination and greater severity by the criminal justice system in its treatment of Indigenous offenders."

You would be aware of the term 'remand'. Interesting that about half those on remand are released without a conviction. Also 28% of indigenous in prison populations means there is 72% non indigenous, yet not a mention of that . Cynical? perhaps.

"Why is the growth in prisoners significant?

The prison system is tasked with several purposes: punishment, deterrence, protection and rehabilitation. Rising prisoner numbers and the associated costs raise important questions about the legitimacy and viability of these purposes for the majority of those in prison. As seen in the graphs, of concern are the number of people on remand — about half of whom are released without having to serve further time in prison because they are found not guilty, given a community order, or deemed to have served their time.Of equal concern are the increased rates of Indigenous prisoners and Indigenous women prisoners, most of whom are on remand or on short sentences. The majority of those sent to prison re-offend and return to prison.Prisons are expensive; expenditure on prisons in Australia in 2014-15 was $2.9 billion. So, it is important to ask whether this rapid increase in remand, Indigenous and women prisoner numbers and rates is justified."

Originally Posted by trout1105

It IS an excuse, Instead of wasting their welfare money on drugs and alcohol these people would Not need to steal to survive.
I have been an unskilled worker all my life and I have had to do some really crappy jobs to put food on the table over my working life But I have Never considered Crime as an alternative to earning a quid honestly.
If the unskilled migrants and refugees can make a go of it in this country through hard work and sheer determination anyone can.
This "poor Bugger Me" attitude and lets just get drunk or stoned and blame everyone else is Bull****.
And YES there are millions of people on welfare and pensions in Australia, If you question it fair enough But do your own bloody research to "Enlighten" yourself as I don't intend to do it for you.

I know the numbers. I'm not sure enlighten is the correct word, there's nothing spiritual about it. Playing the blame game and generalising can be a dangerous game, a trap we should not fall into.

This whole debate just seems a classic example of people over-estimating negative news and under-estimating positives.
Survey shows gloomy public wrong about crime, immigrants and teen pregnancies