Thread: Law & Order is STUFFED.

Originally Posted by ozscott

Good to hear then you might show a bit of compassion on a forum.

I am showing heaps of compassion.... to where it is deserved....victims. I have also been a victim of crime...and didn't feel too sexy about it happening to me either.

By almost every measure, Australia’s corrections systems are failing to serve the purpose they were designed for: to correct, rehabilitate and deter others.

We demand more people be jailed when all the evidence shows that taking their freedom and warehousing them increases their chance of further offending.

Unemployment is linked intrinsically to law-breaking, greater effort must be made to skill up our prisoners and improve their literacy and numeracy standards in preparation for their release.
Of course, the public does not have an appetite for that: bread and water are too good for prisoners.

Originally Posted by bee utey

It may surprise you but not every victim of crime wants their aggressor to die in abject misery in prison.

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That May be the case in some instances But I am bloody certain that they don't expect them to be living the life of riley either.
As far as I am concerned rock spiders, murderers and rapist don't deserve any compassion and that goes for violent crims that have hurt people in the course of their criminal career.

Bugger. Can't let that go. Who is living the life of Riley? I can assure you they are not. Look I don't want to be critical because of a lot of nonsense is pedaled on TV etc but really it's no picnic inside. Likewise on remand. I truly hope you are never charged with a crime you did not commit and have to spend time on remand...

this article sums up my thoughts.

Essential steps in making corrections policy work
The challenges lie in ensuring that the right programmes are delivered to the right people at the right time.


First, it is important that low-risk offenders have minimal contact with higher-risk offenders. Extended contact is only likely to increase their risk of recidivism. This has implications for prisoner case management, prison design and for the courts.


Courts have the power to divert low-risk offenders from prison and thus minimise contact with more entrenched offenders. Related to this is the need to develop effective systems of community-based rehabilitation, leaving prisons for the most dangerous and highest-risk offenders.




Innovative community rehabilitation policies are needed to reduce the overrepresentation of Indigenous people in prison. AAP/Rod McGuirk
Second, concerted efforts are required to develop innovative programmes for those who identify with Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander cultural backgrounds. They are grossly over-represented across all levels of the criminal justice system.


Third, staff need to be properly selected, trained, supervised and resourced to deliver the highest-quality rehabilitation services to the most complex and challenging people.


Finally, it is important to demonstrate that programmes actually make offenders better, not worse. The types of evaluation that are needed to attribute positive change to programme completion are complex, require large numbers of participants and cross-jurisdictional collaboration. A national approach to programme evaluation is sorely needed.


This is not to suggest that criminal behaviour shouldn’t be punished – only that we should not rely on punishment by itself to change behaviour. We need to create a true system of rehabilitation that can enhance the corrective impact of punishment-based approaches.

Its all well and good to say rehabilitate but murders, rapested and people who offend against children in my option can't be rehabilitated they are predator's how many times do we hear someone's got bail only to reoffend while on bail lock theses sort up loose the key compassion is something they didn't show there victims so why would I ever want to show them any.

Originally Posted by laney

Its all well and good to say rehabilitate but murders, rapested and people who offend against children in my option can't be rehabilitated they are predator's how many times do we hear someone's got bail only to reoffend while on bail lock theses sort up loose the key compassion is something they didn't show there victims so why would I ever want to show them any.

very true, thankfully those people are in the minority.

Originally Posted by ozscott

Good on you Trout. That's the type of approach we need to our fellow human beings. As I thought...never been on the other side of the fence. I don't think any thinking person who knows me would call me a bleeding heart but just go on ignoring what people with actual experience have to offer. I was giving you the G rated version.

I have been on the other side of the fence, I spent 2 weeks inside Geraldton regional (The old jail) when I was a young bloke for not paying a traffic fine until my boss paid the fine for me and got me out of there, It scared the crap out of me and I have been a Very good boy ever since.
You say you have spent 28 years in the system, that makes you either a career criminal or a screw and I am guessing a screw But that is me making assumptions just like yourself.
I have also been the victim of crime as have some of my close family and I know exactly how that feels as well so the Last thing I need is someone telling me how I should think about the justice system.

So YES I have "Been there Done that" and I don't consider violent criminals, murderers, rapists, rock spiders, drug dealers and other vermin as "My fellow human beings" at all, I consider them to be nothing more than ****ing animals.
Yes there are instances where people that have been convicted deserve some compassion ( believe it or not I have done this) But in the majority of cases this compassion is undeserved and unwarranted.