Thread: Law & Order is STUFFED.

Thanks Mick so crime rate down compared to previous year. Good to see. I suppose whenever there is an increase in population crime appears worse because the number of crimes increase even if the rate of crime (percentage per 100,000 residents) reduces somewhat.

Cheers

Originally Posted by ozscott

Pickles old mate I am not going to engage on this New York matter further. I'm not spinning any article. Again I just posted a link to the NYT article on the matter. You would prefer gossip it seems. You certainly are not dealing with the facts from the article that show the opposite to your 'opinion'.

Mate, I am simply telling you what myself & fellow travellers were told by people who actually live there, when we got to New York, when we were there, No "Media" bias, "hoo-ha" one way or the other. You may have gathered that I like talking to people, and on tour I talked to lots of people, that's what I do anyway, to learn a bit about where I am. So yes, coming to New York, we did expect to have to "watch ourselves", so it was a topic of conversation, invariably the Mayor was mentioned, his name came up regularly. Why would that be "gossip"?
I had never been there before, & never since, but We loved it. Is what we were told true about the Mayor? I don't know, but what I do know was that we had no issues at all, no beggars on the streets, and loads of Police on the beat, which is plenty different from Melbourne at the moment.
Whether you choose to be believe me or not is up to you, I am simply relating what We were told & what our experiences were whilst we were there.
Pickles.

It's just your sample size is too small. Your conclusion based on your sample does not reflect the population. Your conclusion is biased and outdated.

Your sample selection is also non random and highly biased.
You choose to memorise things you want to remember and forget what you think are not important. This is called recall bias.ppl like you will forever remember a Muslim murderer but quickly forget killer of your race or religion whatever your discrimination is based upon.

Our feelings and emotions are not accurate.

University education can correct this very basic instinct. If you have a degree, you will understand we can only trust numbers.
Yes statistics are not perfect. But it's the best thing available than I feel this I reckon that.

You may feel oh land Rover is reliable based on your experience that YOUR land Rover is reliable.

But once you pull out the statistics, land Rover is below average in terms of reliability. So yes statistically land Rover are unreliable pos

A bogan however will still ask" hold on you say land Rover is unreliable, but how come my land Rover has been reliable?"

If you know what I mean?

Originally Posted by Pickles2

Mate, I am simply telling you what myself & fellow travellers were told by people who actually live there, when we got to New York, when we were there, No "Media" bias, "hoo-ha" one way or the other. You may have gathered that I like talking to people, and on tour I talked to lots of people, that's what I do anyway, to learn a bit about where I am. So yes, coming to New York, we did expect to have to "watch ourselves", so it was a topic of conversation, invariably the Mayor was mentioned, his name came up regularly. Why would that be "gossip"?
I had never been there before, & never since, but We loved it. Is what we were told true about the Mayor? I don't know, but what I do know was that we had no issues at all, no beggars on the streets, and loads of Police on the beat, which is plenty different from Melbourne at the moment.
Whether you choose to be believe me or not is up to you, I am simply relating what We were told & what our experiences were whilst we were there.
Pickles.

If you don't trust the official statistics

Not a problem just start your own recording.

Write down all the crimes you know and do it for ten years and we will know the trend. If the trend is statistically significant then we can draw a conclusion

anecdotal evidence is worthless.

Anecdotal*evidence*is*evidence*from*anecdotes, i.e., evidence collected in a casual or informal manner and relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony. its nature prevents it from being investigated by the scientific method.

throwing anecdotal evidence at each other is purely waste of energy. You will only make yourself feeling better and no where close to the truth.

Cheers

Originally Posted by trout1105

That explains quite a lot.
You and your mates need to step out of your ivory towers and talk to some of the people that live in less affluent areas or better still spend a week or more living there.

One of my friends from uni is a magistrate - putting to one side your rudeness, I cannot think of anyone less likely to be in an "ivory tower". And your rudeness is doubly troubling when it's well known the psychological toll that being on that front-line - not ivory tower - takes on magistrates.

Quite a few people I know volunteer in legal services, in fact founded them - again, not the slightest bit of an ivory tower.

I used to work with the Brotherhood of St. Laurence, in Fitzroy, in the mid to late 80s - really, really not an ivory tower in sight. Lots of towers around, but none of them ivory.

Re "affluent areas", I grew up in one of the rougher country towns in Victoria and then lived in St.Kilda, Fitzroy, Carlton and Brunswick, way, way before gentrification. Is 5 murders in 6 months, within a couple of minutes walk of my flat in St. Kilda real-world enough for you?

Originally Posted by trout1105

As kids we could walk around the streets at any hour with impunity and total safety as could the elderly, that is no longer the case.

Really? Then you must've lived in much nicer places than I have. Country town? Yes. Melbourne? No way.

Originally Posted by trout1105

Back then there was a large proportion of the population that were immigrants mainly from Europe and the UK But they didn't form gangs and terrorise the local community like our newer batch of immigrants/refugees do.

Again, rubbish. A team-mate of mine got hospitalised by a gang of migrant kids who went to Carlton to go "skip bashing" on a Saturday night. He was a big guy but they had baseball bats. I had a run-in with a similar group in the same area. And the skinheads in St.Kilda weren't migrants at all.

One of my relations is a magistrate. He has put a lot of people away and he is tough on those he thinks are just bad. But he says most of the people who appear before him aren't bad, they're just lost and confused.
He applies the law plus, but also looks for people who have a chance to get their lives back on track. I have seen him warn people that if they ever appear before him again they will be jailed.
There's nothing ivory tower about his work days - they are the worst kind of gritty reality.

Trout, Pickles and all you other "hang-em-high" proponents should read Andrew Fraser's book, "Court in the Middle".

Originally Posted by V8Ian

Trout, Pickles and all you other "hang-em-high" proponents should read Andrew Fraser's book, "Court in the Middle".

Nobody gives a rats arse about the victims of crime and yet all the bleeding heart mob seem engrossed in the welfare of the criminals, Screw that.