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Most of my students still want to get licences, even though they spend a lot of time staring at screens.
I agree with the previous comment that the log book system deters some because it is difficult to find people willing to go driving with them for 100 hours. I have done it for some refugee kids whose parents couldn't do it for them.
A hundred hours of commercial driving lessons would cost a fortune.
So maybe that does deter some young people from getting their licences.
I'd fill in the hours in a few days..... I couldn't imagine a single person that would fill in it even remotely accurately. If you don't have a family member that lets you drive everywhere, obviously your going to take a few driving lessons, and when the instructors gives you the thumbs up ... spend half an hour filling it a whole ****load of fictitious driving then head up for the test. I sure would.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
seeya,
Shane L.
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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
My oldest must be the only one in Australia that does it correctly although we round to the closed 5min.
The log books do get sent away for assessment prior to being allowed to sit the driving test.......although I haven't heard of anybody being questioned about the log books
I think I will stick with teaching my kids good values, be honest and follow rules.
Honest defiantely ... following stupid rules .... Never :wasntme: :o Most rules I see are ludicrous to say the least. Anyone stupid enough to need to read most of the "rules" I see, would be too stupid to know how to read them in the first instance.... Or maybe the I'm just getting less tolerant of ridiculous bull**** as I get older :)Quote:
Originally Posted by weeds
My kids will certainly do a lot of hours driving.... But, I couldn't give two ****s what some ridiculous rules are. They will learn to drive in traffic, on the highway, it the worst weather I can find ... they'll be shown how to ease a car back on the road if they drift off at 100+km/h ( Dont' laugh, so many kids roll there first car swerving aggressively back onto the road).
I'll also be doing much bush driving with them so they know what to do when a car understeers and oversteers.... when the wheels lock under braking ... etc... Everyone should know how to control a sliding car ... everyone. Sure if the **** ever hits the fan, they probably won't be able to get it straight again ... but gee's we need to give them the best chance possible. Hmm, that reminds me ... I probably should find them a Morris Marina Coupe to learn to drive in around the paddock like I had. They are the most diabolical, evil, disgusting handling and driving cars you will ever come across. Perfect to learn how to really DRIVE in around a muddy paddock :D
seeya,
Shane L.
Firstly, 70hrs as it is here in SA is ludicrous. I got my pilots licence with only 50hrs! I got both of my daughters through with lots hours of me just sitting there as a passenger, whiling the hours away to fill in the book after they had learnt everything. Out of frustration, we would just do big trips out into the country to clock up the hours, so at least I had something to look at!
I feel for the kids who don't have parents who are prepared to commit to that amount of hours, it would seem a nigh on impossible task to them.
I also took them and did a bit of 'rally driving' etc, to try and make them the best drivers that I can.
And as far as inspiration, my two daughters were keen to get it done, but I see a lot of kids who aren't, or they have trouble getting their parents to give them the time. But there are also the ones who just don't care, as a youngster, I knew exactly what I wanted, a drivers licence as soon as possible and then a job shortly after that, and from a child I knew what sort of job. Most teens I ask now, "so what do you want to be", most have no idea.
A bit sad, I think it is nice to have dreams and aspirations.
I always wonder what the L platers learn, driving the Pacific Highway at 80, just to get the hours in. My first drive was a tractor, part of a summer job. Then for the road had lessons, UK at time you did your test when you were ready, not because you had ticked a box. 100hrs, can drive from here to Broome in less, crazy
If you live in an urban environment and public transport is available why go to the time and expense ? Also less on the road leaves more room for those that need to be. Even though I have had a licence for a long while my guess is at times I went a year or more without driving and almost failed to renew. Forcing people to drive to me is an excuse not to invest in and use public transport.
I wonder if this is part of the reason there are so many unlicensed drivers - they just think the logbook hours required are too many to bother with.
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Very true, a valuable lesson for them. I don't personally believe in the log book system because a bad tutor will create a bad learner but they need to understand the importance of following the rules especially when learning to drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by weeds
I agree. But I think the log book system, by encouraging cheating on hours (in NSW you need more hours dual instruction to drive than the number of hours total to fly!) and has to go alongside the different speed limits for learners and 'P's. By the time a learner has spent 100+ hours at 80kph holding up traffic, much of it on two lane highways with speed limits of 110 or 110 with few overtaking opportunities, they either have a very strong willed parent/supervisor or have learnt at a basic level to ignore speed limits. Drive even half an hour with the bull bar of an impatient B-double three metres from your back window is a strong incentive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Debacle
It does not seem to me to be a very good way of teaching obedience to rules. And this almost deliberate teaching of disobedience to laws will extend beyond road rules.
John