Do fewer young people want driving licences?

The NsW different speeds for L is extremely dangerous. As mentioned it either teaches them to ignore limits or they spend all their highway time with dangerous frustrated overtaking drivers.

Regarding the idea that public transport in cities means they don't need a license. Ah. I see now why we are loosing touch with being an Aussie. Australia is more than the city... There isn't any transport to the big wide country and beach areas that have so many happy memories for me. The kids stuck in cities are missing out on some of the best parts of life.

And I'm afraid I hate rules that are silly... but I follow them and taught my kids to also. So your kids logbook is not the only one that is legitimately completed.

I'm a bit of a hypocrite I suppose because I do ignore some trivial rules if they are silly. But mostly I think Aussies should play a straight bat.

We didn't know about NSW 80km/hr limit for learners when we did our road trip a few months ago. My oldest was sitting on somewhere between 100 and 110 in a 110 zone and came across two learners......we figured at the time they must restricted but than discussed does the rule apply to interstate learners.

At the time I couldn't find a reference......I'm guessing a QLD Learner in NSW should be following NSW Rules??

I think a Learner's PERMIT is only valid in the jurisdiction of issue. It is a temporary permit, not a license.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

I think a Learner's PERMIT is only valid in the jurisdiction of issue. It is a temporary permit, not a license.

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Hmmm. By that logic a Qld license is only valid in Qld. The word 'license' doesn't imply a larger geographic area than 'permit'

Let's face it.... having differing rules across states is an anachronism long overdue for consolidation. They're working on it but humans being humans.... :)

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Originally Posted by Walruslike

Hmmm. By that logic a Qld license is only valid in Qld. The word 'license' doesn't imply a larger geographic area than 'permit'

Let's face it.... having differing rules across states is an anachronism long overdue for consolidation. They're working on it but humans being humans.... :)

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Each state and territory reciprocally recognise interstate visitors' licences, permits are not included.

I dont think there should be any special speed limits for learners, they need to learn to drive safely at the normal speeds.

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Learning should also cover things like parking. My area is innercity, limited parking. Increasingly we see cars parked with 6ft space each end - can only think rather than learn to park properly they have learnt to blindly obey the parking sensor. "Oh, its going ping, must stop here"

Learners permits are only valid in the state in which they are issued. (good luck kiddies in Albury wodonga)

P plates are valid Australia wide BUT...

it is the holders responsibility to be aware of and comply with the regulations of the state they are driving in including changing over their license and plates if required.

I personally preferred the early simple system of L platers weren't allowed on highways or freeways and had speed restrictions and The P plate was a full provisional license. In essence the speed restrictions and no highway driving kept you in the low speed areas and made you mums driver so you did a heap of low speed beetling around and buckets of time in carparks doing the shopping and the like.

Yep I like the the old system of P being full provisional licence (with the latter edition of passenger restrictions)
IMHO I believe the decline to be both the red tape and the inner city living, more emphasis on the city living though. If you want $$$ and red tape for licensing try Germany, they have to do their massive amounts of hours with a commercial operator ($$$) they also need endorsements for different driving conditions (like a pilots licence) for night, wet ect. So can add up to thousands (well a few years back anyways). That's why international drivers there have restrictions.

You have to also add the Hipster effect to the equation, it is cool and "different" to not drive like us non thinking carbon burning meat eating dinosaurs. It's the old chestnut of "I just want to be different like everyone else" syndrome.

My experience has been that teens/early 20 are slower to start learning but most eventually do.

BTW the learners limit in NSW is 90kph (changed in July 2016)


Martyn