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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigE View Post
    It depends on the officer that pulls you up. If they believe you have it there as a weapon, you can be charged, but rarely happens for people with legitimate reasons in 4x4s and trade vehicles. Partly why I generally keep mine right in the rear. Where it becomes a bit murky and they will challenge you is if it is within reach from your seated position. I have been cautioned in the past about having a wheel brace under the front seat, a hockey stick on the back seat (partner played hockey) had a laugh at the Kalgoorlie Cop that challenged me on that one, the sad thing he was serious. As long as you can support just cause for having the items in the vehicle.
    I imagine my mate in lae png who restored a WWII Jeep and a 50 cal with belt on a pintle mount would be in the poo "Weapons" in vehicles he was there too, until he explained he had removed the breech block and then it was ok 😁
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    I have used a machete and a bushknife on the farm and they would be very nasty weapons. Some crims do carry them. The city is not the bush. A cranky cop could make your life very difficult if he doubted your word. Why risk the hassle?

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    Agreed Mick,

    that was my point previously.... if you are wandering around rural Australia with it tucked away in the back of a vehicle - I'd imagine very little problem.

    If you are driving around major urban centres - it's a totally different story - in Victoria it IS classified as a controlled weapon ( Whether you want to think of it as a tool or not.)

    Police here do have pretty broad powers to search a vehicle - you can simply be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    With the number of very violent crimes that have been occurring recently, police down here are likely to make life pretty hard if they were to find it concealed in your car.

    I personally wouldn't take the risk here unless I had a very good air tight reason. Touring the countryside I wouldn't be as concerned
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    Do you anticipate any difficulties importing a ckd Malaysian model? Or am i wrong in my assumption
    The permission to import has been granted. Letter in hand already. Lots of hoops to jump through, but wasn't terribly difficult. (Nothing related to it being a CKD built up in Malaysia - Just the usual documenting/proving ownership, regular access to drive etc). One last hoop just cropped up, new regulation regards certifying no asbestos in gaskets, seals, clutch and brakes.
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    Thanks for the responses/comments everyone.

    I don't consider the parang a weapon (that term, "weapons", in the thread title was in quotes for that reason). Was just concerned that maybe in the decades I have been away, it may now be an offence to have a screwdriver or a razor sharp piece of A4 copy paper in the vehicle cabin.

    Taking on board the cautions and do recognise that while the parang is every bit a tool as the straps, shovel and bowsaw - it can evoke other responses.

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    Here are images of parangs. They certainly look like weapons to me. We used something similar to cut bananas when I was on the farm. I reckon I could knock you about very nastily with one. I'm sure the cops would agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Here are images of parangs. They certainly look like weapons to me. We used something similar to cut bananas when I was on the farm. I reckon I could knock you about very nastily with one. I'm sure the cops would agree.

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    Yup. Machete like for sure. In the states I had (have) a rather large Bowie knife (11" blade) that I kept under the seat of my truck. Been pulled over a few times for various reasons and usually the cops there will ask you if you have any weapons or anything that could be classed as one. I always told them about it and where it was. They then asked me to step from the vehicle while they retrieved it, conducted their business, returned the knife to me and bid me a good day/night. 😀

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Here are images of parangs. They certainly look like weapons to me. We used something similar to cut bananas when I was on the farm. I reckon I could knock you about very nastily with one. I'm sure the cops would agree.

    parang - Bing images
    Might be a weapon in your eyes and others eyes
    It cracks me up watching all this who har BS .
    I have for years had a skinning knife in a sheath in the glovebox also in the side bin in the back i have a very sharp tomahawk been this way for years .
    I have never been pulled over and asked about weapons and if i did id refuse i as i have a skinning knife and a tomahawk and not in reach easily.
    The same would be if i had my firearms in the car they are firearms that belong to me not weapons .
    Weapon - Wikipedia
    So anything could be conceived as a weapon if used to harm somebody .
    I do not intend to harm anyone so i dont have any illegal so called weapons all my firearms and knifes are legally owned and used by me legally .
    So if you want to give into the scare mongering few here bow down and do so .
    We have rights in Australia and part of that is not to be intimidated by the police as a law abiding citizen .
    Im fine with any police that want to argue the differ .

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    In SA you are correct Rangieman....IF you have a lawful excuse to carry a knife.

    As per Summary Offences Act 3A(21A), a simple knife is an "offensive weapon".

    As per Summary Offences Act 3A(21C), a person who without lawful excuse carries an offensive weapon, is guilty of an offence.

    In summary, in SA, if you can provide a lawful excuse as to why you are carrying, a pocket knife through to a machete, then all good. But if not, you will be arguing it with a magistrate, not the police.

    I would suggest that a machete in a vehicle an urban street, would take some explaining as to the lawful reason to carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rangieman View Post
    Might be a weapon in your eyes and others eyes
    It cracks me up watching all this who har BS .
    I have for years had a skinning knife in a sheath in the glovebox also in the side bin in the back i have a very sharp tomahawk been this way for years .
    I have never been pulled over and asked about weapons and if i did id refuse i as i have a skinning knife and a tomahawk and not in reach easily.
    The same would be if i had my firearms in the car they are firearms that belong to me not weapons .
    Weapon - Wikipedia
    So anything could be conceived as a weapon if used to harm somebody .
    I do not intend to harm anyone so i dont have any illegal so called weapons all my firearms and knifes are legally owned and used by me legally .
    So if you want to give into the scare mongering few here bow down and do so .
    We have rights in Australia and part of that is not to be intimidated by the police as a law abiding citizen .
    Im fine with any police that want to argue the differ .
    Actually, we don't have many rights, certainly not as many as Americans, since we don't have a Bill of Rights.
    Your opinion of what is a weapon is irrelevant - all that counts is the wording of the law. Anything which can hurt someone is a weapon.
    The ice epidemic has resulted in many incidents of males going berserk and made the cops very jumpy. If you can't provide a believable reason for having that weapon in your vehicle, then you may find the police pointing guns at you, and you'll be explaining yourself to a magistrate. Fact.
    The magistrate won't be interested in your attempts to philosophise about personal rights. He/she has heard it all before and will shut you up.
    Magistrates are fed up with people accusing them of being soft on crime, so they'll err on the side of throwing the book at you.
    Really, you're just asking for trouble.

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