Am I Too Sensitive?

One thing I remember Land Rovers failing at when I was a kid(last year if my memory serves me right)...

Land rover had very little leg room, fuel tank under seat(scared smokers), small engines and break short stub axle... They where the cons, beyond that, you couldnt beat a landy...

The cruiser had leg room, comfort, big engine...

But I do remember all the whinging and whining about how the Landy could have gone here or there and the cruiser is just a fuel guzzling heap of c&*p... Of course the next purchase was another cruiser, couldnt pass up the luxury...

I like the rangy type suspension and when they became popular, the cruiser only held its ground for being rugged...

I like all vehicles and hate the lot... The Landy goes anywhere and makes most vehicles look like road warriors only, but I still love the 60 series(even tho its parked permanently under a tree, rusting)... I have no bias about brand but I do have some likes and dislikes, like Landy's being no good of road, what a load of codswallop... Nissans are week, more bull, the drive train is strong in the early series... Toyotas are toughest, bull again, diffs just stand up to punishment, spring suspension has to be maintained and the link type needs lots of work to match a Landy...And Jeep, living on a legend of a name now...


If it has t*&s or wheels, it will give you problems... Honestly, they are all crud in one way or another, but if you think reputation will give you a good vehicle, think again, there is no perfect car just like there being no perfect person...

My Landy went bush one day and drove over 150k's through country thats as sandy as the sand dunes, over hills and right upto the edge of the southern ocean, with 45 ftlbs air pressure in the tyres(road tyres too), then bought me out again... Then we went fishing, 2 hrs later I was waiting for my son when a big Nissan pulled up, 37" tyres, 4" exhaust, Spotlights everywhere, lifted a mile into the air, Bullbar, scrub bars(you get the story) and the guy was saying how tought the track was, he had to winch himself out, winch over two hill tops and was bogged numerous times... He seen me turn onto a side track and presumed it was too hard for me to go along the track thus I must have turned around..
Well, I explained I drove to end of track and tyre marks at top of ledge where mine and I had done the trip with the road tyres at 45 psi, no bogging, no problems climbing hills or in the heavy sand(didn't even spin the wheels), then I commented "He should have bought a Landy", umm he turned around and walked off, not a word from him...

Did I do something wrong? I think I may have up set him?

I feel sorry for those that have no sense of humour...But bugger him, my old cruiser had been down that track plenty of times and a few on racing slicks before getting new rubber... Honestly, more than half the people driving off road should stay on the bitumen...

It's a bit like the crud that Toyotas built the Snowy etc. Actually, the Landys did the first eight years of hard work and there were hundreds of them there before the first Toyota even arrived, and it didn't even have low range. Apparently after that the Landys continued to be used for the hard work and the Toyotas were just office runabouts. Check the threads in the Land Rover History section of this site for lots more information about that.

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Originally Posted by bln

In the last Pat Callinans 4x4 magazine (issue 028) there was a great letter to the editor "Land Rover Loyal". Basically the letter was about a bloke who has been very happy with the many land rovers that he has had in the past. The editor (Scott) responded with something like "its great to hear from a Land Rover Tragic (most of them involving mechanical repairs)...." . Well that's like a red rag to a bull for me. Ive owned 5 land rovers now over the years and I have never had any sort of reliability issues. The odd repairs required from time to time but no more than you'd expect from any other type of 4x4.
Are the 4x4 mags perpetuating an untruth and misrepresenting Land Rover? On what grounds do they claim LR to be unreliable - where is the evidence?. As far as know, and from my experience they are solid reliable 4x4s that excell at there intended use.
I own a small business and I had 3 hiluxs and 2 prados - we had continual problems with them - oil leaks, gearbox overheating, tail shaft faults, recalls as wel l as faulty injectors. These are well known faults so why aren't journalists critical of Toyotas? We have since moved to colorados and our running costs have significantly dropped. I personally traded in my prado for a D4 and the difference is like chalk and cheese.
So my question is - should we be tolerating false journalism or am I just too sensitive? Should Land Rover be tolerating false statements.
I could go on rambling but i look forward to reading what others think.
cheers

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Hi I have had D3 for 7 years and now a D4 for 2 years which is a 2010 model very reliable no major issues in snow leaves all others behind 3 months of the year. I don't know how they can say they are unreliable not true.
Cheers
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I've lived in some of the most remote places in Australia - which means some of the most remote places in the world. The only vehicles that survive these extreme conditions of high temperatures, high humidity, constant rain for months followed by constant dry for months, are landrovers. Everything else (Toyos) flog out, break down and basically disintegrate. My last LR (before I got the recent Defender) was a series II stubbie 2.25 petrol. When I bought it locally, I doubt it'd had an oil change in about 15 years (thick and black like molasses) let alone anything else, and yet it started first kick, and everything worked. It was just phenomenal that any vehicle could be so abused, mistreated, unmaintained and yet still run like a sowing machine! I drove that SII for 5 years and never spent a dollar on it other than changing the oils and filters. It towed my boat, it carried 20 locals in the back, got me through river crossings in the wet, carried pallets of XXXX when the boat came in, rescued tourists when they got stranded in their new LCs, Prados and Pajeros and never once, not ONCE let me down. I'll never forget that little beast! Unreliable? - not in my experience.

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Originally Posted by 350RRC

Supposedly over 50% of all the Landrovers ever built are still going.

DL

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Still going or still registered?

I remember a mechanic in Weipa saying he was making a good living replacing front suspensions in mine Hiluxes because they were only lasting a year or so on the local tracks.
He had a tourist Jeep Wrangler that had been there for a week waiting for front suspension parts.
The broken flexible coupling in my exhaust was repaired the same day because it was a standard part.

Every motoring mag, hack or whatever that relies on car manufacturers for advertising revenue is going to be a biased load of crap. Jaguar Land Rover prolly dont advertise that much so it doesnt matter. I bet there is no bagging when it comes to the fat VW or Audi, dont want to loose that fat cow or the juicy all expenses trip to germany to "test drive" the latest VW.

I generally say to people that have a crack at Land Rover or Jeep, comments generally come from people that have never owned a Land Rover or Jeep, have never worked on a Land Rover or Jeep.......... so really their opinion accounts for ****.

Empty vessels make the most noise [tonguewink]

Regards
Daz

Anyway, if this isn't appropriate the mods can delete/modify.

Keep your eyes open for a new emag that will hit the web on the 1/11/17.

It'll be as unbiased as possible for us humans in that quite a few will recognise some of the production team and a columnist or two as long time AULRO contributors.

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Originally Posted by craig a

Here is a good story. A mate of mine was looking to buy a 4wd. He loved the D4 I had and wanted one. His other mates and online research had advised him they were unreliable and if they break down you face a massive towing cost and repair bill he 8wouldnt afford after buying the car. Despite my efforts he ended up buying a Toyo -here is the story when I asked how it was going (but he thinks it is a good car):

As for car - disaster! Have loved it and looked after it for the 9 months. Did a 4WD training course and done some light off-roading (my daughter gets terrified on the most simple tracks) and bought a hardcore off-roading camper trailer. Spent heaps on the car and camper - new suspension and lift, winch, AT Toyo tyres, spotlights, roof rack, full servicing etc. then had first first proper trip planned to Grampians for Easter. Get 250kms out of Adelaide towing the camper and engine dies. Mechanic tries replacing injectors and then tells me the engine is stuffed and gives me a bill for 2.5k! Tow car back to Adelaide and now getting quotes for whole new long motor. With some family connections for cheaper Toyota parts I might be able to do it for around $12.5k. Awesome. Anyway I have to fix it and hope the damn thing doesn't do it again. Lost all confidence in the vehicle though which is really sad as it is a really good vehicle (apart from the injector system which causes the engine failure!).

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It's funny how many people new to 4WDriving do this, instead of just doing a few trips with the money.

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Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

Every motoring mag, hack or whatever that relies on car manufacturers for advertising revenue is going to be a biased load of crap. Jaguar Land Rover prolly dont advertise that much so it doesnt matter.

Regards
Daz

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Overlander Magazine used to be favourable towards LR products.

Although 4wd Action doesnt have standards as good as Overlander did, somehow 4wd Action came along with more excitement factor, more hardcore offroading, more insight into Australian locations, and for the guys that modify like myself there was more interest there too.

I guess we get what we pay for...