The New Holden Commodore is made by Peugeot?

**rick130** · 4th August 2018, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by rammypluge

That is so true.

For instance, look at a 1970 jaguar, and a 1970 range rover. Chalk and cheese, each focused on their thing.

Now they sometimes are mostly the same.

A 1970 jaguar is also quite distinguishable from a run of the mill passenger car. So many features of these jaguars were focused. Jaguars had low silouettes, large wheels, a chassis that had spaceframe elements, a strong english wood and leather interior ambience, suspension that was considered very plush and yet also handled. They pushed the limits of luxury and sportiness in one package. Then they started badge engineering rovers to be jaguars (?)

The New Holden Commodore is made by Peugeot?

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And we now have heavily modified hatchbacks being called a range rover.

Except the Poms were kings at badge engineering in the fifties/sixties/seventies!

Famously idiosyncratic marques such as Citroen and Alfa have been terribly homogenised though.

**rick130** · 4th August 2018, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by rammypluge

And we now have heavily modified hatchbacks being called a range rover.

Sad but true.

**rammypluge** · 4th August 2018, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Slunnie

Rangie might be good, but it leaves me shaking my head at the big HP motors LR are putting into some of their vehicles but they're still not too flash in acceleration... they're too heavy.

YouTube

His balls seem to get bigger as he goes.

**rammypluge** · 4th August 2018, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by rick130

Famously idiosyncratic marques such as Citroen and Alfa have been terribly homogenised though.

And saabs are gone.

There used to be so much more variance. Homogenised is so much the right word. I guess that will happen for a while then people will get bored and fund more unique offerings. I guess tesla is a bit different, for good and bad.

**pop058** · 4th August 2018, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by rammypluge

And saabs are gone.

There used to be so much more variance. Homogenised is so much the right word. I guess that will happen for a while then people will get bored and fund more unique offerings. I guess tesla is a bit different, for good and bad.

I think Vauxhall gobbled Saab up years ago. I cannot think of one marque that does not use some other brand's bits whether they are a parent/subsidiary to them or not.

**rammypluge** · 4th August 2018, 12:33 PM

According to J Clarkson i think GM owned Saab for a while, but Saab wasnt prepared to simply take a GM vehicle and change the badges, they ended up re-engineering almost the entire vehicle. The last saab looked quite interesting from memory. I dont know what happenned then. Could have founds a buyer or changed hands into obscurity, dunno. Once GM bought them they lost their identity.

**Eevo** · 4th August 2018, 12:52 PM

from 2016

**pop058** · 4th August 2018, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by pop058

I think Vauxhall gobbled Saab up years ago. I cannot think of one marque that does not use some other brand's bits whether they are a parent/subsidiary to them or not.

Originally Posted by Eevo

from 2016

I understand that design/bits swapping among a major player is common (eg. Chev & Buick both being GM), but there is a bit of the same thing between 2 independent major players as well. (eg. the new Merc twin cab ute is based on the ST-X Nissan).

**Eevo** · 4th August 2018, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by pop058

I understand that design/bits swapping among a major player is common (eg. Chev & Buick both being GM), but there is a bit of the same thing between 2 independent major players as well. (eg. the new Merc twin cab ute is based on the ST-X Nissan).

in that case, you want this one (from 2011 i think)

**rammypluge** · 4th August 2018, 02:24 PM

In the car side of things we also get rebirth, eg Bentley was long ago merged into Rolls and lost identity, but more recently was sold to VW and was reborn.

Toyota own Isuzu??!!

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