Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

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Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

Why does a newspaper need to be profitable? Why not break even as a news service?

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fair point

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

That totally destroys the argument the Greens have prevented hazard reduction - its just WRONG!
Please get some facts before you rave on.


So don't try to tell me how to feel about this - this is personal.

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i didnt say the greens. i said greenies. not the same people. sorry if i wasnt more clear.
i said local area, not nsw.

having said that, i went to northern nsw a fortnight ago to help fight the bushfires and saw many areas that had high fuel loads. some of it govt land, some of it private land. private land owners have their part to pay too, not just the govt.

having said that, wheere i live, as a private land owner, council says i'm not allowed to burn off. thats going to lead to higher fuel loads and if a fire comes though, a more intense fire.

its personal for a lot of people and i'm sorry to hear of the trauma you're experiencing. decisions should be make logically, not knee jerk reactions based on feeling in the heat of the moment.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

fair point

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Particularly AFAIK The Guardian is managed by a trust and so isn't beholden to shareholders

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Originally Posted by Eevo

fair point

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Why? I'd say it is because it has Shareholders wanting a return on their investment & as much dividend as possible, possibly. Unless you know more, Rick?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

i didnt say the greens. i said greenies. not the same people. sorry if i wasnt more clear.
i said local area, not nsw.

having said that, i went to northern nsw a fortnight ago to help fight the bushfires and saw many areas that had high fuel loads. some of it govt land, some of it private land. private land owners have their part to pay too, not just the govt.

having said that, wheere i live, as a private land owner, council says i'm not allowed to burn off. thats going to lead to higher fuel loads and if a fire comes though, a more intense fire.

its personal for a lot of people and i'm sorry to hear of the trauma you're experiencing. decisions should be make logically, not knee jerk reactions based on feeling in the heat of the moment.

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council says i'm not allowed to burn off. thats going to lead to higher fuel loads and if a fire comes though, a more intense fire.

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Eevo, we must be in the same council area. Begins with an A & ends with a C.[biggrin]

'It's like a genie taking form before our eyes': Fire, prescribed burning and climate change
Fire, climate change and prescribed burning: What do the experts have to say? - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Mick, I agree with most of what this bloke says but Binna Burra fire was started by a cigarette butt and it wasn't as though the Lamington NP was destroyed. This was in September. Our fire season. Has this bloke been to Lamington NP in September?
I have done all the walks there, including the Stretcher Track, and any sort of ignition in the dry weather could start a fire, whether rain forest or not. If you don't believe me, take a walk up to Ships Stern in the dry. There's a couple of old campfire sites there and I'll bet my bottom dollar you wouldn't utilise them then.
Rat-a-tat hut,a stopping point on the way to the Stinson wreck, was burnt years ago.

As an aside, smoking is banned in NPs.

100 years of fire

1926 Black Sunday 60 dead 1,000 buildings destroyed
1939 Black Friday 71 dead 5,000 buildings destroyed
1967 Black Tuesday 62 dead 1,300 buildings destroyed
1983 Ash Wednesday 75 dead 3,000 buildings destroyed
2009 Black Saturday 180 dead 3,500 buildings destroyed

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Originally Posted by Eevo

100 years of fire

1926 Black Sunday 60 dead 1,000 buildings destroyed
1939 Black Friday 71 dead 5,000 buildings destroyed
1967 Black Tuesday 62 dead 1,300 buildings destroyed
1983 Ash Wednesday 75 dead 3,000 buildings destroyed
2009 Black Saturday 180 dead 3,500 buildings destroyed

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The BIG difference between those fires and the recent ones is that there wasn't any Low Life Greenies or Climate change actovist's taking advantage of other people's pain and loss to score Cheap political points [bigwhistle]
Back then Everyone chipped in and helped instead.

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Originally Posted by Saitch

Mick, I agree with most of what this bloke says but Binna Burra fire was started by a cigarette butt and it wasn't as though the Lamington NP was destroyed. This was in September. Our fire season. Has this bloke been to Lamington NP in September?
I have done all the walks there, including the Stretcher Track, and any sort of ignition in the dry weather could start a fire, whether rain forest or not. If you don't believe me, take a walk up to Ships Stern in the dry. There's a couple of old campfire sites there and I'll bet my bottom dollar you wouldn't utilise them then.
Rat-a-tat hut,a stopping point on the way to the Stinson wreck, was burnt years ago.

As an aside, smoking is banned in NPs.

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About half of all fires are started by humans, usually smokers, or arsonists (see the above post by Bob), so there is nothing surprising about the Binna Burra fire being started by a smoker. That doesn't prove anything.